[BuckyT]

in reply to: long shots #52985

lyagooshka wrote: [quote=BuckyT]My point is, that damning a style of hunting as a whole, because of a few folks that give it a bad name, or simply have a bad day in the field, isn’t right…………..

Bucky,

I hear you and agree, but (IMHO) the issue is what I bolded and underlined above in your quote. I am new to trad archery, but I have been around hunting for a long time. Other than teaching hunter ed, I also have several WCOs and DWCOs (Wildlife Conservation Officer / Deputy WCO) as friends and in my Reserve unit with whom I chat about hunting and the like on a regular basis. I wish the slobs were not multiplying at an exponential rate (I am sure I am exaggerating, but the movie “Idiocracy” does come to mind).

Point is, I do not like to paint anyone with a broad stoke of a brush. Not X-Bow hunters, rifle hunters, Game Preserves or even ATV users (sorry Dave, but you even say something similar in one of your books). But I do see a trend. As you might have read in some of my other posts, the reasons I started to hunt at a late age are many. But one of the biggest reasons I went to traditional equipment is to distance myself from the “trends” I was seeing. Those include greed-ridden, over-hyped companies putting out inferior products with no regard for anything but the bottom line. It includes the increasingly popular view that “success” must equal a kill. It also includes a total avoidance of woodsmanship in lieu of newer fancier gadgets.

Again, please don’t get me wrong. First, I don’t feel I am above anyone. If I ever do, I will hang up the bow and move on to golf or something. I have something to learn from the seasoned veteran as well as the novice. I also don’t balk at technology. If I am planning a road trip, I take out the GPS with turn-by-turn directions. I don’t reach for a map and compass. Thing is (at least for directions), I am very good at map reading. If the satellites fall from the sky, I will find my way to any place that’s on a map (thank you U.S. Army). I don’t think the same can be said for many people picking up that rifle and taking those 700 yard shots. They don’t have the basics, and go straight to the fancy gadgets. Then, when the proverbial you-know-what hits the proverbial fan, they have nothing to fall back on. Hand any true hunter any weapon, and they will still be able to hunt.

Again, this is all In My Humble Opinion. I know there are always the exceptions, but they are becoming fewer and fewer, at least from what I have been seeing. Be well.

Alex

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Good Post Alex.

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[BuckyT]

in reply to: Fletching Tool? #52350

lyagooshka wrote: Bucky,

Thanks for the reminder…

A single-fletch jig is also nice for repairs. It’s also abit easier if your feathers don’t go back the “standard” distance from the nock. Plus, a bit easier if you want to go left-wing to right-wing, to straight, to whatever. Just a thought. But “repairs” are definitely a bit easier witht the added room of a single-fletcher. Be well.

Alex

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Didn’t think about the repair issues….. A single fletch sounds like the right choice for me. All of my arrows are going to be repair jobs at the moment!:D

Probably going to go with the Bohning jig. Sounds like a great jig for the $$

[BuckyT]

in reply to: Fletching Tool? #52346

David Petersen wrote: Bucky — For years I’ve had a cheap ballistics-plastic Bohning fletching jig, still only about $30. Since I enjoy the process and am never in a hurry to get arrows fletched (I have an attic full already), a jig that fletches three at once doesn’t interest me. And too, I’ve recently switched to four-fletch, which is a simple adjustment with a standard jig. The Blitzenberger is the standard, but in my experience has no real advantages over the far cheaper Bohning and costs a lot more. To each his own and have fun.

I’ve looked hard at that model myself. My neighbor has one and swears by it! Good Info! Thanks!

[BuckyT]

in reply to: Fletching Tool? #51718

Thanks for the replies!

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I’m accumulating an ever growing supply of arrows with ripped or missing fletchings since taking up traditional archery!:D

I need to get on the ball fixing arrows!

[BuckyT]

in reply to: long shots #51277

The way I see it is very simple.

There are people who are lazy, unprepared, and should not be afield hunting with any kind of weapon…..

I actually found this phrase from the article amusing.

“There is no way to control for the game moving between the release of the shot and the bullet’s arrival.”

The statement above holds true for every shot a trad bowhunter takes on game.

When I started traditional bowhunting, besides wanting more of a challenge in the woods, I wanted to get away from the constant bickering from different groups of hunters…

I’m to the point in my hunting career now where I want more simplicity and less drama. No matter what weapon I take afield with me.

I started traditional bowhunting in 2011. I aquired my recurve that March. I shot almost everyday, trying my best to get prepared for the upcoming deer season in September.

When the season rolled around, I thought I was prepared..

I started off by missing a dandy 6pt at 15yds…… Next I wounded a doe at 15yds….. She started to turn right when I released………..Look up at the bold quote……..,

Then………….to top it off, I missed another doe…. I shot a limb instead………….

I’m sure some guy that can shoot a mosquito’s eyball out at a 1000yds everytime, would have some fun with my episodes above…

My point is, that damning a style of hunting as a whole, because of a few folks that give it a bad name, or simply have a bad day in the field, isn’t right…………..

I thought getting into tradtional archery was going to distance me from such views…

[BuckyT]

in reply to: Some Game recipes… #41369

Deer Burgers:

This is how I make them and get some pretty good feed back from folks who have consumed them down at deer camp and at the house.

I don’t have any pre measured ingredients, just kind of throw it together….

2 lbs of ground venison

Well.. I do have one pre-measured ingredient….

Olive Oil = 1 tablespoon per pound of venison.

Garlic Salt = However much you like, I put a good bit in.

Dales Seasoning = Just a splash.. Already have the garlic salt in the mix, but I like the “Dale’s Taste”

Worstershire = Don’t skimp, shake it up well into the mix.

McCormicks Montreal Steak Seasoning = Depends on what kind of “kick” you like in your burger. I don’t dash it, but don’t load it up either.

Patty the burger mix up, fire the grill up, throw on grill, cook medium rare, throw a slab of cheese on it, melt cheese, pull off grill, put on bun, doctor it up anyway you like, and enjoy.:D

[BuckyT]

in reply to: New Low in archery Hi Tech ! #41360

lyagooshka wrote: [quote=BuckyT]…breaks down quickly in the body into harmless compounds, hence eating the meat of an animal killed with the poison would be safe.

First, I would never use it. Second, no matter how fast the compounds break down, I would NEVER feed my family something so tainted. Part of the reason I hunt is to feed my family “organic, free range” meat. Kind of defeats the purpose. Still shaking my head. Why not just set up a snare? No respect for the game or fair chase, that’s what it boils down to. Be well.

Alex

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Agreed.:wink:

[BuckyT]

in reply to: New Low in archery Hi Tech ! #41117

BuckyT wrote: [quote=lyagooshka][quote=BuckyT]No words really……………………:x

About as pathetic as the “Poison Pods” I saw on a guys arrows in S.C. one time years ago. I was getting gas and noticed them on his bow in the cab of his truck. When he came out, I asked him what they were?

He said poison pods.. Doesn’t matter where you hit the deer, as long as it penetrates somewhat……….. Poison gets in blood stream, deer is dead in a matter of minutes…………………..

And you’re supposed to eat the meat then? Or was this a trophy poacher? Be well.

Alex

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I have no clue………. Didn’t continue the conversation with the guy. Got in my truck shaking my head…

I wouldn’t eat a deer killed with one of those! Think it’s the same chemical vets use to euthanize animals with?

Looked up some info and found this:

“Don’t use the stuff, but I shoot targets with a pharmacist, and we’ve had this discussion before-the drug is

Anectine(generic name Succinyl Choline Chloride). It is a non-narcotic schedule 6 drug, regulated by the FDA and its legal use is restricted to its “labeled use” which is to paralyze the breathing muscles during certain surgeries in order to facilitate ventilator breathing. It is also used in combination with other drugs to facilitate the lethal injection administered to death row inmates.

It is not illegal to use for hunting under Mississippi law, however, its use for other than its intended labeled purposes is a violation of FDA regulations. I’m told that it has a very short active life, and breaks down quickly in the body into harmless compounds, hence eating the meat of an animal killed with the poison would be safe.

I understand that the powder form of the drug is now very hard to come by, since hospitals no longer carry it(it kept disappearing from their drug shelf during hunting season). Also, no pharmacist can dispense it or use it for bowhunting, without risking the loss of their license. So if anyone is using it, I wonder how they are legally obtaining it.”

I found this statement on a random hunting forum when I googled “poison pods”..

[BuckyT]

in reply to: New Low in archery Hi Tech ! #41112

lyagooshka wrote: [quote=BuckyT]No words really……………………:x

About as pathetic as the “Poison Pods” I saw on a guys arrows in S.C. one time years ago. I was getting gas and noticed them on his bow in the cab of his truck. When he came out, I asked him what they were?

He said poison pods.. Doesn’t matter where you hit the deer, as long as it penetrates somewhat……….. Poison gets in blood stream, deer is dead in a matter of minutes…………………..

And you’re supposed to eat the meat then? Or was this a trophy poacher? Be well.

Alex

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I have no clue………. Didn’t continue the conversation with the guy. Got in my truck shaking my head…

I wouldn’t eat a deer killed with one of those! Think it’s the same chemical vets use to euthanize animals with?

[BuckyT]

in reply to: What if …? #39770

Roger Norris wrote: [quote=BuckyT][quote=WICanner]In the little bow club that I belong to, the trend is to attempt long shots at animals. To most newer shooters, this is what they see as THE WAY to put the proverbial feather in ones hat. These younger members are requesting that we set up longer range targets. (We have them up to 40 yards now.) 😕

One can argue specifics on individuals, but the trends in ‘bowhunting’ are undeniable.

Are these individuals planning on taking super long shots on game or simply having fun target shooting?

I shoot at water bottles, pine cones, and targets with my recurve at 50+ yds all the time. It’s fun! But…. I’d never in my life dream of taking a shot on an animal past 20yds.

Long range practice is my favorite. I love watching the fletching hurtle away….and it realy points out flaws in your form. But I haven’t shot at deer further than 17 yards or so, ever.

It’s my favorite as well!:D I always start out shooting at least out to 30yds first, then I move back into my hunting ranges.

That was a practice tactic I used back in my hardcore compound days too.

I believe it really helps, like you stated to find the flaws in your form fast, which in turn, helps you get them fixed quickly.

[BuckyT]

in reply to: What if …? #39746

WICanner wrote: In the little bow club that I belong to, the trend is to attempt long shots at animals. To most newer shooters, this is what they see as THE WAY to put the proverbial feather in ones hat. These younger members are requesting that we set up longer range targets. (We have them up to 40 yards now.) 😕

One can argue specifics on individuals, but the trends in ‘bowhunting’ are undeniable.

Are these individuals planning on taking super long shots on game or simply having fun target shooting?

I shoot at water bottles, pine cones, and targets with my recurve at 50+ yds all the time. It’s fun! But…. I’d never in my life dream of taking a shot on an animal past 20yds.

[BuckyT]

in reply to: New Low in archery Hi Tech ! #39740

No words really……………………:x

About as pathetic as the “Poison Pods” I saw on a guys arrows in S.C. one time years ago. I was getting gas and noticed them on his bow in the cab of his truck. When he came out, I asked him what they were?

He said poison pods.. Doesn’t matter where you hit the deer, as long as it penetrates somewhat……….. Poison gets in blood stream, deer is dead in a matter of minutes…………………..

[BuckyT]

in reply to: What if …? #37512

Roger Norris wrote: [quote=BuckyT]I’d take my chances.8)

When contemplating a fatal arrow, I take as few chances as possible.

I’ll see how it goes if I ever meet up with a 300+ lb whitetail that is armed with a mouth full of hair popping incisors, and pretending to be a very angry wolverine.

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[BuckyT]

in reply to: What if …? #37181

Roger Norris wrote: I think for the most part, traditional bowhunters DO consider the important details of our arrows. Ask an average compound shooter about thier set tup….I have met darn few that could tell me how much thier arrow wieghs. Fewer yet that actually SHARPEN a broadhead.

A worse concept than arrow construction, is the long shot. How many guys can honestly say that they would hold thier fire on a record book whitetail if it were slightly out of range? I meet guys at every shoot who talk about thier self imposed range limits….mine is about 20 yards (I say ABOUT because I never actually measure it)…yet you hear stories that go like :

“Well, he was a little far (or the wrong angle) but he was the biggest buck I have ever seen!”

In my mind, a perfect trophy is all the more reason to only take slam dunk shots. How sad is it to have the best buck in your area die deep in the swamp, unrecovered, with an arrow through the guts?

Sorry Dave, different direction, but same theme…

You know…..

I’ve been reading this thread and pondering a few things?

I’m new to trad bows and trad hunting. I’ve been bowhunting in general for 21yrs now. I’m 34yrs old.

My father was not a big hunter when I was a child. He worked all the time. He did manage in his free time to instill the spirit of the hunt in me. He small game hunted as a child. He’d never shot a bow in his life.

I’m basically a self-taught hunter. I had no mentors to guide me through the process. I picked up a compound when I was 13yrs old. That was pretty much all I knew about. I learned how to shoot it by myself.

I actually taught my father about bow hunting. He’s been bowhunting with me ever since I drug a little button head up to the house when I was 15. My 2nd big game kill and I killed him with a wheelie bow. My first was the prior year with a 30-30.

My two good friends Tailfeather and Etter got me interested in trad hunting a couple of years ago. I shot Etter’s bow at hunting camp and became instantly hooked on it. Next thing I know, I’d ordered a bow from a bowyer, and everything else to go with it.

I wanted that extra challenge and I got it.8)

I still shoot my compound. I enjoy it. I enjoy my recurve. I enjoy any kind of hunting honestly. It’s all fun, spiritual, exciting, peaceful, etc..

I know how much my arrows weigh with any bow I shoot. I know how to tune my bows. I take care of my equipment. I respect the quarry I’m hunting.

About 7yrs ago, I was hunting in Illinois. No outfitter, private land I had permission to hunt on. Didn’t pay a dime for it.

I rattled up the largest whitetail I’ve ever had the shear pleasure to lay eyes on in the wild. A magnificent animal. 10pts adorned his head. I’m not into scoring animals, but I’d say he was in the 160’s as a typical.

He came in directly facing me. I had drawn my wheelie bow and he stopped at 40yds….. Facing me…. I can stack arrows on a target at 40yds, but………..I didn’t shoot at that great buck. I sat there…..A quivering mess hoping he’d come closer and turn, but he didn’t………………

He knew the jig was up and turned and trotted another 15yds, looked back, and trotted right out of my life…

I got into trad for something new, exciting, a new spark to stoke my hunting flame so to speak.

I have one big game kill under my belt with my recurve. It was a fantastic experience, and I look forward to many more in the future!!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that not all people who dare to pick up a compound are the same as described above…

I take no offense to the comments listed above either, but felt compelled to state my opinion on the subject.

I’m not judgemental of other hunters equipment. I’m very open minded about the subject. I’d call a compound hunter a idiot for taking a unethical shot at 15yds just the same as I’d call a trad hunter for taking the same shot.

This is a great forum and I enjoy reading all topics here!:D

[BuckyT]

in reply to: What if …? #37160

I’d take my chances.8)

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