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in reply to: carbon arrows #8057
A 500 spine should fly good and if you really want to load up on the foc a 400 just might work. It just depends what your after?
Is the bow center shot? how long of an arrow do you want to shoot?
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #51890Ireland wrote:
Go to the Alaskan Bowhunting Supply web site. Read “Speed Kills”. They have three Ashby studies which will help answer your questions you have asked above.Ireland
Thanks Ireland, I looked all over for that article but am unable to find it. Any way, I suppose that even a 550gr arrow would out penetrate a 450 gr no matter what the speed?
in reply to: My hunting outfit – opinions please #51269yes sir, a little dark brown, green and black spray paint here and there to break up the brown blob and you’ll disappear. You could make it look like sticks and leaves by making up some paper templates and fill it in with a little color. If you do it, post a pic when you’re done. 😀
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #46847Thanks David. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that it would be harder to slow down something that was heavier rather than lighter.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #45706I got a question for someone, maybe the good Doc will reply?
Ok two different setups. One is an arrow that weighs 650 grs with 25% foc moving at 170 fps with a single bevel head.
The second is a 500 gr arrow with 19% foc moving at 260 fps with a single bevel head.
My question is, does that extra 90 fps compensate any for the lack of 150 grs of arrow weight as far as penetration goes?
thanks
in reply to: Bow (Speed) #42754Crystalshrimp wrote: I like what i hear, thanks 2blade. Tell me more about this foam core stuff.. This is the first Ive heard of it. And who is using this Tech.
That 55 pound bow was back to belly, glass, carbon, bamboo cores, glass and the slowest of the bunch, sold it. The 52 pound longbow is glass, carbon, actionwood, glass, for sale. Both are slower than the foam cores and both are harder to draw, the foam feels like your drawing a lighter bow than you really are, its super smooth.
The foam has a different sound to it when you release compared to wood cores. Its kind of a tiney sound but its easily quieted down with normal methods. The limbs on the Dalaa recurve are glass, carbon, foam, glass – I think, they’re Everest Pros made by Win & Win. 3Rivers sells foam cored limbs for this bow but I haven’t tried them. This bows kind of heavy for a recurve.
The other bow is a Black Swan hybrid, its 51.5 pounds at 28 and shoots within 1 fps of the Dalaa. The limbs are carbon, foam, ceramic. The bows 58″ overall with a 12″ handle with a low grip. In my 30 yrs of serious shooting, this is the most accurate bow I have ever shot next to a compound, I love this bow.
Morrison is making foam cored limbs and so is Belcher/Sky archery. Tradtech makes limbs for their ILF setups that are foam cores. There are a few others but they are slipping my mind right now.
Foam is unaffected by weather unlike wood which can swell with humidity or rain. These limbs are very tough. I like em.
in reply to: Bow (Speed) #42171I shoot all my bows through a chrono just to see whats going on. I recently shot 3 r/d longbows and 1 recurve with foam core limbs with the same arrow through the ole chrono. 3 of these bows had draw weights within 2 pounds. One was a 55 pounder. All 4 bows shoot within 4 fps of one another. But the foam cored recurve and the foam cored hybrid are the fastest of the 4, they are also 2 pounds or more less draw weight than the other two. One non foam r/d longbow was 55 pounds and was the slowest of the 4, the other was 2 pounds heavier and 2 fps slower. Both the foam cored r/d longbow and foam cored recurve draw 51 pounds and the recurve has a 1 fps speed edge. With all that said, you’re not going to be able to tell any difference when it comes to 4 fps. But, drawing 51 pounds and getting 4 fps more speed over a 55 pounder does have its advantages. I shoot a heck of a lot better with 51 than I do 55.
in reply to: Advantage of a longer draw…. #19495If you take a 50@28 and use the same weight arrow but draw it 30.5 you’re looking at a speed gain of 10fps.
in reply to: Advantage of a longer draw…. #19425According to stu’s calculator, it is the same speed if you’re using the same weight arrow and the weight is the same at the respective draw length. Makes some sense to me even if its not right. I mean just because its on the string longer it is still pushing the same mass with the same force so why should it be faster?
Best way to find out tho is with a chrono and two bows at these specs.
in reply to: HOW SHARP IS SHARP ENOUGH? #17221I had completely forgot about the 3 blade and the flight response as well. It is a fact tho, at least from my experience 20 yrs or so ago. Back then I killed quite a few deer with 3 blade heads shot from compounds and all of them took off like rockets, generally going as far as they could before they died. When I went to traditional I went to 2 blade heads and observed the first few kills, most deer would run maybe 20 yds then walk until they fell over. Elk would spook a little with a pass threw from the arrow making noise in the brush on the other side. Then they would either walk off or just look around a little bit before falling over.
Those heads I used back then were the chisel tip variety, but it would only make sense that the great area of a coc 3 blade would cause the same response. But I’m not sure about that cause I’ve never tried it? Would make for a good experiment and hopefully I get a chance to find out this yr.
in reply to: My biggest fish #12887Oh thats right, theres a slot limit where you can keep em, the small and the BIG get let go. You up around the tri-cities area?
in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #12814I shoot right handed and have shot both right and left wing and can’t tell any difference. With left wing I shoot cock feather out, with right wing cock feather in. When shooting right wing, if I don’t go in I sometimes get cut by the feather. It depends upon how close my hand is to the shelf which of course is based on the handle of the bow.
in reply to: whats everyone favorite BOW ? #12810The ole 10 yr old Brown Recluse Seminole. I’ve tried quite a few bows and always come back to this one.
in reply to: My biggest fish #12807Nice fish! was it big enough to keep or did ya throw em back any way?
in reply to: Elk hunting tips #49161David Petersen wrote: forget the calling and hunt elk much as you would whitetails — spot and stalk, move in silently when they bugle, ambush wallows, waterholes and other high-use areas. Make it your top priority to not let them know you’re even there. Unlike rifle hunters we need relaxed elk following their normal routines for best success. Sure, people kill elk by calling. But people spoil more hunts by calling, by far. Cow calling can work in expert hands but neither is it a panacea. Do not walk around blowing on a cow call. Go in quite. Study the habitat and elk use patterns. Be the invisible visitor and stay at it and you will have your chance. dp
Very good info right there. Don’t let them find out you’re there, if you do, thats it, they’re gone. I’ve seen it happen never to see the herd again. So don’t spook em and do like Dave says, keep at it and you WILL get your chance.
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