Which carbons?

[handirifle]

#6250

OK, IF I can go with carbons (money issue), is there a chart to use to start with for tuning? I shoot a non center cut recurve (close but not true) and am not home to measure (out of state till Sat) , but draw weight between 50-55, and draw length 27-28″, left hand if that matters.

These new class numbers for arrows confuse me a bit.

I would like to pick up some shafts to work with for when I get home, if possible.

Thanks

[David Petersen]

#49389

Handi — I am really unfamiliar with all the carbon options today, and like you it’s all a blurr to me. What I can say is that I’ve been shooting Carbon Express for a few years and have killed several animals with them and with my mid-50# bows the CE 250s have been great and accept a huge range of head weights, all the way up to 450 (including internals). It’s a simple, cheap starting point though I sure far from the best available. If you’re shooting light heads you might get by with CE 150s. Would be nice if a guy could buy just one of each to find out. It’s a start …

I’m going back the other way and plan to hunt with woods this year.

[Raymond Coffman]

#49414

Handi –

I have a bow similar in specs to you [ diff is -center cut hybrid – draw 27]

It likes 400 Nfused axis carbons 28.5 ” 3–5″ parabolics, std aluminum inserts/pt weight in the 150-175 range -{my turkey bow}

scout.

[handirifle]

#49545

Whats the difference in the 400’s vs the CE250’s, or are they the same shaft size, but different companies?

[Stephen Graf]

#49875

If you are trying for high FOC, the first consideration is really grains per inch of arrow weight.

I shot Carbon Express because they are good tough shafts. But when I started fooling with high FOC, I started using gold tips because they are several grains per inch lighter.

It may not sound like much. But for my length arrows, switching from Carbon Express to Gold tip allowed me to increase my point wt by 50 grains while maintaining the same arrow weight.

I Use the traditional gold tips. If I switched to their regular black arrows, I could add another 40 grains to the tip without changing total arrow weight.l

For your specified bow weight, the 55-75 goldtips would probably work fine.

I have found that the gold tips are, for the money, the lightest arrows for a given spine.

[Raymond Coffman]

#50010

I agree with Mr Graf -The gold tip is one of the easier arrows to work with if you are after efoc.I have them for shooting in my shrews { 56lb@27} 55-75 gold tips total tip weight including inserts 425 wTHeads.

I believe Dave’s arrow is for his 53# shrew but don’t remember his head setup other than I know it is also a Tuffhead. [ His CE is a “300”spine the equivelent in axis would be the 340 axis which is a “300”, Axis 400 is 400 spine]. As Mr Graf stated, check- the grs per inch. Just because an arrow/s is a “300” doesn’t mean they will shoot the same out of the same bow.

think of it as a General spine range. At least that is my experience.

I like the axis when I can get them tuned to a bow, as they are very thin -hopeing for better penetration.

the Carbon express arrow n#s just relate to each other – IE the CE250 is .373 spine and 11 grs per inch –Yea I know I get confused too, but each company is different and finding actual spine numbers can be a workout haha.

Scout

[handirifle]

#50561

OK am making SOME mental progress here, carbons are still a lot more than alum’s, so I have to think that part over, but will try to narrow the field a bit, to determine actual costs.

Steve

Which gold tips did you use? I see quite a few different models. I like the look of the traditional ones, and are the heavy inserts available for all sizes?

Scout

Yes it is very confusing to me.

Also, how does the EFOC affect the arrow trajectory? Does it change from a same weight arrow setup that is NOT EFOC?

[Ed Ashby]

#51123

handirifle wrote: Also, how does the EFOC affect the arrow trajectory? Does it change from a same weight arrow setup that is NOT EFOC?

I’ve done a fair amount of testing on this. Many folk seem to believe that, because there’s more weight towards the arrow’s front the EFOC arrow will drop faster (or ‘nose dive’) than a like-weight arrow having normal to high FOC. This is absolutely NOT TRUE. In fact, the opposite is the case.

An EFOC arrow will shoot flatter (less drop) than a matching-profile, normal/high FOC arrow of identical weight. This is because the EFOC arrow recovers from paradox much faster, which conserves some of the arrow’s energy which, in turn, is applied to the arrow’s downrange flight, resulting in a flatter trajectory.

Ed

[handirifle]

#51322

Thank you Sir. Now all I need to know if the cheaper carbons will work as well as the pricey ones. Money is a big issue for me.

[Raymond Coffman]

#51424

Handirifle –

If you decide to go with Gold Tip Tradionals – check out 3rs cat under Broadheads & points – weight systems. have a lot of stuff for adding weight to this arrow.

Scout.

[handirifle]

#51592

Is there only one model of traditionals? Seems like I saw several.

[Raymond Coffman]

#51702

The Std Gold tip Traditionals [.006 straitness]in 55-75 spine is the only one I have used—

Scout.

[handirifle]

#55084

Thanks Scout

[Raymond Coffman]

#55528

Handirifle –

anytime – I hope you find some carbons that shoot well, and give you the efoc you want

Scout

[longrifle]

#17434

I’m shooting two similar rigs to yours, a 60″ Fox High Sierra, which pulls 51#@ my 29 1/2″ draw length and a 66″ Omega hybrid longbow which weighs out 47# at the same DL. Both of them will shoot 31″ Heritage 250s like a lazer with a pretty wide spectrum of point weights. You might need minor changes in brace height but they’re tough arrows. FOC is pretty new to me but my numbers put it about 15%. I do know that they penetrate very well.

[handirifle]

#26478

Ok went by the new Dicks sporting goods yesterday, was curious about what broadheads they might have. Sad. Never seen so many expandable broads in my life. I have never been a fan of those, even when shooting my compound. Just a gimmick, IMHO.

Anyway, they had a sale on arrows, so I got a dozen Gold Tips, Devastator or something like that. 8.2 GPI, the 55/70. Got a dozen for $45 pplus tax, just under 49 out the door. I figure even if they don’t work with the recurve, they should work with the compound.

Also checked and I have some nails that just fit, so I can make some heavy inserts for them too:D.

Just wish I could figure out how to make a decent screw in broadheads, then I could save some real $$$. I see Dr. Eds are machined, now if I only had a friend close by with a CNC machine….:D. Seriously seems some types shouldn’t be super hard to make. I can figure out the body, but the insert section is the tough part.

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