Tuning issues

[deadstick]

#3384

Hey guys, I recently aquired a beautiful 3 piece take-down. But I am having an awful time getting any sort of consistency out of it. I’m not a newbie, I’ve been shooting traditional for 16 years. I’ve been used to shooting 70#+ bows and the one I now have comes in at 58#. big drop there. 🙁 I have the bow setup like its recommended, and I’ve tried a variety of different carbon arrows. The arrows bare shaft good, I just cant seem to get consistent groups past 15-18 yds. right now I’m shooting victory VAP’s to try to compensate for the loss of bow weight with a thin/weight forward arrow. (supposed to give me better trajectory and arrow speed) Is it me or my arrows? should I go back to wood shafts? I’m pulling my hair out here.

[Mountain Man]

#19349

What spine weight on your arrows?

To stiff of an arrow will do that the string isnt flexn the arrow enough its trying to hard

Just a thought IMHO im sure others might know better then me but thats where id start

You shooting off rest or shelf?

[deadstick]

#19455

VAP’s are .400’s with a 43 gr insert, and a 125 gr fieldtip. shooting off the shelf

[deadstick]

#19467

I get perfect straight flight with bare shaft at 15 yds. arrow impact is straight into the target with no kick left or right.

[Mountain Man]

#19502

Im sure theres better arrow builders here then me and its just one of those discussions like i like Ford you like Chevy,but,I adhere to the 10grns per pound rule(its worked for me)maybe a heavyer weight arrow might be the answer

I shoot wood dont know if that would help with carbons

If it was me with wood id add some lacquer and pick up some weight or build heavyer arrows see what happens

[David Coulter]

#20010

Do a search for Troy Breeding in the forum. His posts and advice really helped me learn to tune properly. Dwc

[DK]

#21388

Maybe you just need a little more time settling into your new bow at long range. If your form was off you’d have goofy arrow flight, if your set up was off you’d see goofy arrow flight. I don’t know what your draw length is but 400 seems a little weak to me. Anyway I don’t know I guess, good luck.

DK

[David Coulter]

#25350

If you are bare shafting well, then my guess is your form suffers in one way or another. I’m only speaking from my personal experience. I know that last year I had no problems in the 15-18 yard range, but things fell apart drastically out past 20 or so. I was happy to hit the bale at 35 yards.

I went back to form issues. See the Archery Anatomy thread. I try to blind bale practice frequently, if not every day. I closed my stance a bit too which helped me get into my back more. I’m no ace at the longer distances, but this work has already tightened things up considerably.

Keep watching Jeff Kavanagh and Moebow and Jimmy Blackmon. It’ll come. Best of luck, dwc

[Alexandre Bugnon]

#26840

Yes, if form is your problem, then blind bale practice is key and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that it helped with your accuracy. I shoot 5 arrows with my eyes closed into the ground every time I start and end practice. It has an amazing effect on my anchor and release!

[deadstick]

#27730

dwcphoto wrote: If you are bare shafting well, then my guess is your form suffers in one way or another. I’m only speaking from my personal experience. I know that last year I had no problems in the 15-18 yard range, but things fell apart drastically out past 20 or so. I was happy to hit the bale at 35 yards.

I went back to form issues. See the Archery Anatomy thread. I try to blind bale practice frequently, if not every day. I closed my stance a bit too which helped me get into my back more. I’m no ace at the longer distances, but this work has already tightened things up considerably.

Keep watching Jeff Kavanagh and Moebow and Jimmy Blackmon. It’ll come. Best of luck, dwc

I was kind of afraid its me. 🙁 I got the bow last May and shot more last summer than I’ve ever shot. Last fall I went into hunting season with less confidence than any other season. But, I had a new bow, different glove, different arrows. And for the first time I started watching videos and reading books like “become the arrow” and “masters of the barebow” which got me to completely change my shooting style. I went from snap shooting, to methodically thinking through each shot and it really messed up my form and my shot so bad I tried to go back to my old tried and true style and now thats not working too well. Too much change at once?

[deadstick]

#27775

alexbugnon wrote: Yes, if form is your problem, then blind bale practice is key and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that it helped with your accuracy. I shoot 5 arrows with my eyes closed into the ground every time I start and end practice. It has an amazing effect on my anchor and release!

I need to start doing that. Guess I’ll be looking for some bales now. 😀

[David Coulter]

#28603

Learning while plowing through old habits stinks, but its the way most of us have to do it. Stack your bales high enough that you can shoot without bending down so you can develop your form squared away properly. If your arrows blow through the bales hang a horse stall matt behind them, a la Steve Graf. That works great. I do my blind bale work in the dark. It’s just easier for me than shooting with my eyes closed. Not only does it help your shooting, but it helps let the static of the day melt away. Moebow suggests months of this before any aiming! Have fun Dwc

[Ralph]

#52513

I’m no expert or top notch shooter for sure, I’ve just been shooting for a loooooong time.

Good days, bad days, days I could hit a dime at 20 yards, days a washtub would be iffy.

Days I put the bow up and say I ain’t never shootin that SOB again, then days when I can’t wait til it get light enough to see or hating for the dark to come ( guarantee I’ve been shooting in my headlights before cause I couldn’t stand to quit),days so cold and windy it showed my ?????? pure duh…

Over the years I’ve learned one important thing about me and about me and archery, besides being addicted to traditional archery, being a given, is that the more I worry about my form, what another’s is or might be or what I read in books mine oughta be, my form is my form and if my arrow goes where I planned for it to go I did right. If I’m worrying about whether it’s going to get there or not, it probably ain’t.

Sure there are basics that need to be adhered too, and they’ve been covered here well, but the trick is consistency and do what YOU do well.

I’ve been shooting trad equipment for many years (lets see, 70-12 =, whoa, long time. 12 being when I got my first bow.). Admittedly a spell of wheels cause I was around when they were invented and you know how we humans are about ‘the latest and greatest”. Not always what it seems….:wink:

You’d think after all that time I could hit what I wanted when I wanted but that’s also a long time to develop the ability to miss. 😀

Best thing I have to offer, I’ve seen many good shooters as well as bad, seen good shooters with their string hand flying all over the place but……..never throwing their bow hand around.. Keep that thing still, your front sight, and your string hand to your face.

I can’t consciously look at my arrow tip, can’t pull back and hold an anchor for a period or any of that style.

I just look at what I wanna hit, draw back, touch and go.. If I let my body do it, I do it. If I put a conscious brain wave in the process it amounts to a brain fart and that don’t work.

Enjoy your bow and relax and quit worrying, let’er flow.

Like I read this morning:

“Be still like a mountain and flow like a big river”..Lao Tze

Ralph:D:D

[bruc]

#55480

Great input R2 !!

Bruce

[Stephen Graf]

#59873

Ralph – Are you sure you don’t need just a little bit more practice before deciding what’s what? 😆 🙄

I have the brain input = brain fart disease too. Actually, I think it’s not a disease, it just has to do with personality.

Some folks have the ability to draw / hold / evaluate and release the arrow. Rod Jenkens breaks his shot down into 12 steps or something. That never appealed to me. But I have a friend that took his class and can shoot tacks all day long.

I did try to go down that target form path, as I try to be open minded. But I definitely failed at it. That doesn’t mean its a bad path, it just means it was wrong for me.

As Howard Hill observed, in order to shoot well, you have to decide what you want to do. What are your goals?

[grumpy]

#31360

Audrey still says I have perfect form. Without her knowledge (or asking her opinion) I got the book ARCHERY ANATOMY. Thus far I have adhered to the RR method. What got me was that a few years ago, after not shooting a bow for half a century (66 – 16) my first shot actually went where I looked. I had to run for the bathroom.

Was stumping today (only big stumps, because if you miss in the snow, you loose the arrow) and didn’t loose any arrows. 🙂

I have 2 other books to read before I start the anatomy book, should be able to shoot in the back yard by then. I’ll let you know….

[DK]

#31489

Grumpy, what is s the RR methode.?

Thanks Doug

[grumpy]

#37972

The R2 method

[deadstick]

#43137

Thanks guys for the input!! Looks like its not just me that has bad days now and then. Looks like lots of shooting is the best medicine. 😆

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