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I just read the self professed liar, Dave Petersen’s article (:lol: read the article for context!) about telling the truth and accepting the “consequences” vs lying about, say, a great hunting spot so someone doesn’t hoard in on it. The end of the article begs for interaction and what better place?! 😉
My time is limited as of late, so I don’t have time to elaborate at this moment, but I’d really like to hear what you’d do and/or what you think you should do in similar situations. If possible, please read the article before replying so that you have the proper context.
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Where can I find the article?
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Ah. Haven’t recieved that issue yet.
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I read it & he gives an accurate look at the decisions we make daily when we are hunting or scouting. Do we tell someone of a favorite hunting spot we’ve found. The spot he was talking about was in an area that they both had legal access to. Do we give away a favorite spot having been asked a direct question? Do we lie, do we just say I’m not telling? How do we handle it.
We have all probably been guilty of not telling the truth about a favorite spot or sign when asked??? 😉
I think it was a great article.
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It is an excellent piece. We have all been there, and it’s becoming more and more of a problem as access to private land becomes more difficult to obtain (you can thank the outfitters for that). My own response is, it depends, on a whole lot of things: how much additional hunting pressure would effect the place, the tolerance of the landowner (if private ground is involved), but above all the integrity and track record of the person doing the asking. I have seen lots of friendships ruined in this situation. And I can tell you this: if you’re the kind of guy who drags all his buddies back to a friend’s honey hole after he’s confided in you, that friendship is probably going to become another casualty. Don
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I don’t believe God will hold it against me when I don’t tell someone where my latest hunting hot spot is located. I’m still trying to find the Garden of Eden, I know he hasn’t given me directions!
Larry -
Since i haven’t seen the article yet, i’ll put it this way. On the rare occasion i find a really good spot, i will only confide it to my wife, son and grandson, and then only if they ask. Period!!! Here in Ohio, with no public land within a 3hr drive, access to additional private land is virtually impossible. You either have a spot or your SOL. The deer on the other hand have the run of the place and the crossgun/arrow-06 junkie on the other side of fence is just as likely to trespass as not. I could probably get rich as a tree stand insurance salesman. A large hunting area here is about 15 acres of wooded land. If it has a creek on it, your hunting in tall cotton.
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Here in Montana, where public land is plenty and easily accessed, you tend to find a lot of people close to the main roads and trails. Few ever seem to wander farther than a mile from the main track. If you get out to the 2 mile mark, you pretty much have the place to yourself, with the exception of one or maybe two other diehards that don’t want to be visited by the crowds. Plus, how many people want to carry an elk or deer 2 miles or more on their back? LOL. I only know of a handful that will truly put in the work to get away from the crowds. Luckily, I have no problem losing track of how far I just walked, and when I find a critter at the end of my walk, it’s usually a LONG walk back to the truck. LOL. I’ve had a lot of hunting partners in the past, but they were mostly short-lived (one or two hunts of “what’s up over that ridge?”). I like exploring just to see what’s on the other side of the hill. And I usually wind up doing it alone. Most times, people ask me,”Where do you hunt?” I just tell them, well, I’ll take you and you can decide if you want to go back.” They either decide they don’t want to go, or they decide they don’t want to go back. None of the guys I work with ever seem to want to go hunting with me, and I offer every year.
Michael.
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Larry O. Fischer wrote: I don’t believe God will hold it against me when I don’t tell someone where my latest hunting hot spot is located. I’m still trying to find the Garden of Eden, I know he hasn’t given me directions!
LarryLarry, God might hold it against you. Maybe you should tell me your hot spots to be on the safe side:twisted:
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I haven’t received it yet. But Looking forward to it! I never lie when it comes to where I hunt or how I catch fish, the answer is simple.
Where are getting / seeing these bucks? Answer: In The Woods.
Whatdaya catch him on? Answer: The end of my line.
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I too have not received it yet, nor do I think I am going to as someone(me) procrastonated when renewal time arrived, might just have to buy this one off the shelf 🙄
BUT this is something dad and I have not had to worry about. I always tease him before telling him where I was and what not but I always tell him where I saw what. Last year we were hunting rather close to one another, which we didn’t mind. It was close, but not within yelling distance. Same animals none the less. I had video of a fine buck, that I almost sealed the deal on and I showed him. I told him where the video was taken, big mistake, lol. He missed the deer during rifle season 😆
But in all seriousness, after dad did get a deer (a much smaller buck) some guys stopped in camp to chat and show of their deer(gotta love deer camp). Dad let slip that I was after a big guy, the look on their faces when dad said 140 class 200 pounds was funny. Dad then proceeded to tell the guys where the deer was.
I was not too happy, that kinda deer is a rare breed out there, the locals hunt for meat, so they don’t let the bucks grow up.
After they left I asked why he told them, he said it was because no one could make it to that spot. Then I realized he was right, no one is dumb enough to try and get there. Which is why the deer are there, lol.
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Last year we had some new folks set up a cabin near my grandfolks place. Until then I pretty much had that land to myself since most folks prefered to hunt from their trucks. These fellas planned on using their legs however, and being new to the area asked me the usual what and where questions. Now I could have lied but seeing that they were actually willing to put the effort into it I told them all I knew. Even got them permission to hunt the same private land that I hunt. The result? They filled their tags and gave me permission to hunt their property which until then was off limits to me. So to summarise, if I respect the individuals I am talking to then I don’t have any issue being honest. If however a person drives up to me on an ATV just after scoping me (happened twice last year even though I was wearing an orange touque), well I am probably gonna send them on a wild goose chase to hell and back. It all depends.
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I just reactivated my account and read the article and also thought it was a great piece. It wasn’t so much the fact that Dave told Keith about his hunting spot that impressed me, rather that he was man enough to “eat crow” and tell him he LIED.
How many people do that?
I hunt in various parts of the West Michigan area and have to say that unhunted public land is nearly impossible to find. I’d have a hard time giving a spot away I worked to make my own for a few hunts out of the season. Especially since I hunt from the ground when so many are in a tree with several stands. I wouldn’t lie but I’m not going to roll out the red carpet for them either.
Dave was in a pretty specific and awkward situation. Someone asked him a specific question about a piece of land in an open area where terrain is absolutely crucial for success. There isn’t really a way out of that without looking like a jerk or lying.
Kudos again!
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It takes a great man to admit that he lied. Up here in northern Wisconsin you see pictures of people with their catch in the paper. Sometimes all they say is it was “caught in an area lake.” I think if it was a stranger asking me where is good place to hunt. I would say it takes a lot of time and hard effort to find those good places to hunt. Then I would give them ideas on how to go about this until their eyes start to glaze over and they move on. 😀
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On several occasions during my years of bowhunting I usually just tell my wife or son if I’ve happened upon a big boy and just don’t say anything to others. I’m guilty of this….. and usually if asked directly about having seeing any good bucks, I’ll answer,”yes” without elaborating.
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Where I live we usualy approach this issue like this.
Bro,where did you see/shoot that thing,
Answer,,,in the chest/in the bush!.
It’s not a lie,but the message is obvious.
A real friend will bide his time,,, a real friend will also eventualy give up the goods.
A real friend will not send another on a wild goose chase just to protect his hunting ground,,,he will man up an say,,,I shot him in the chest or I saw him in the bush.
A real friend will accept this.
I will lie about my mother in laws cooking,,,,I won’t lie about a hunting spot,,,,some consequences are far more dangerous than others.:wink:
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