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    • skinner biscuit
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        Here is a picture of a clear cut behind my property that was logged last spring and helicopter sprayed with herbicide last summer.This is a practice up and down the west coast and Canada .State lands no longer spray but is common in replanting of private timberlands.How can this type of reforestation be a benefit to wildlife?

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      • paleoman
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          Really, much only in the sense that at least it won’t be built over. I was edumacated as a Forester, and even then I knew the mission was to feed the hungry mill. Wildlife, while foremost in most of our minds, was subordinate to the industries we served, though it was given lip service and spun when useful. We all thought it would beat working in a factory or an office, and as usual, we were indroctrinated when we were young and dumb. Now, Forestry can be a rewarding bank of knowledge, but on an industrial scale, in the big picure, it’s a tough reality. Unless you’re a red squirrel in a pine plantation:D!

        • paleoman
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            BTW, I want to add I’ve had a lot of fun hunting around clearcuts before they reach pole timber size! On a smaller scale, interspersed with intact, non-monocultural native timber tracts, they can make a nice interspersion and juxtapositional jigsaw puzzle of habitat. They do wreck a hunting area for some time though before they recover any sense of a place you want to be.

          • skinner biscuit
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              I have no problem with logging.It is a important renewable resource .I just don’t like the mass dumping of chemicals into the environment.(think highly concentrated roundup).

            • robbin68
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                I do not own property myself, so I hunt mostly on state land. Our wonderful state of Michigan decided to log half of Missaukee county, including two areas that I have hunted for a long time:evil:, which forces me to travel farther to hunt and also pushes hunters closer together. The clear cuts eventually grow thick popple saplings, which the deer love, but is less than desirable hunting terrain. I have friends who are loggers, and it is not their fault at all as the state is responsible for what gets cut.

              • David Bartlett
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                  paleoman wrote: BTW, I want to add I’ve had a lot of fun hunting around clearcuts before they reach pole timber size! .

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                  Find a gulley or two that lead into that clear cut and make yourself some ground blinds. Deer and other animals love those low areas to move in and out of these areas.

                  In a very short time, this area will be full of new growth.

                • robbin68
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                    For sure the deer like these areas. Just a pain in the you know what to move around in or drag a deer out of. But being willing to do the work other hunters won’t do can be rewarding. I got a spot that was clear cut about 3 years ago and the saplings are good and thick now. The loggers left one nice oak out on that ridge that might get some attention again this fall.:D

                  • Bruce Smithhammer
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                      skinner biscuit wrote: I have no problem with logging.

                      Neither do I. But there are good ways to go about it and not so good ways. Shaving everything to the ground, then nuking it with chemicals, isn’t necessarily the best way, unless all you care about is maximizing short-term profits.

                      On the other hand, we’re facing issues in parts of the West where nothing can be logged anymore without the armchair greenies (many of whom have never even been on the ground in these forests) filing multiple lawsuits as soon as any timber sale on public lands is announced – even when its a forest full of beetle kill that will be an inevitable tinder box when something ignites it. In places where the timber is already dead or dying anyway, and we are looking at major fire disasters, and beetles are already rampant, I see no harm in selective logging while the timber can still be put to good use.

                      I’ve spent a fair bit of time in coastal B.C. and Alaska, and there are many places there where the logging practices that were allowed are nothing short of disgusting, and will not recuperate for a long, long time. But that doesn’t mean it has to be done that way, or that all logging is bad.

                    • Fallguy
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                        My son just finished college at U.W. Stevens Point with a degree in Resource Management with a emphasis on forestry. The problem he said is everything is geared toward cut them as fast as you can and encourage the regeneration to a mono culture for more profit in the future. He says they are just setting things up for big problems in the future. Just 1 bug or fungus is going to wipe out 50 to 100 years of forest. I told him not worry Monsanto will come to the rescue. “Better Living Thru Chemistry”

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