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Instead of having a ton of different threads as the season gets underway, I thought it might be cool to have an ongoing thread for hunting updates, reports, pics, etc from across the country (and the world) all in one place. So here it goes….
The first 36 hours of my season have been a blast. Had a nice muley buck well within range yesterday morning, but he had me pinned and there was no way I could draw on him. So we just stared at each while he tried to figure out what the heck I was.
Then, this morning, I had a black bear walk right in on me, and was this close to filling my tag, when (lucky for him) he decided to keep quartering toward me, nose to the ground, oblivious to my presence. Arrow nocked, ready to draw as soon as he gave me a broadside, which he never did. When he was about 12 feet away, I said in a low voice, “Hey bear.” He looked up startled as all get out, and then ran about as fast as I’ve ever seen a bear run in the opposite direction. It was hilarious, and awesome.
5 minutes after that, the first bugling of the season started in the canyon below me.
All in all, a great start!!
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Nice day indeed!!! Grizzly or black?
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Bruce
Great idea–If Web Mom concurs maybe she can work her magic to keep this thread at the top of the campfire forum list. Makes sense to me but then you have to remember that your dealing with a dysfunctional veteran that is a newcomer to trad bow hunting.:lol:lol:
Mike
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Hey this sounds like a great idea. You’re having great fun already Bruce!
Today my friend and I found the first bear I’ve seen since the season started. He was able to follow it and get to within 30 yards. But the bear figured out what was going on and disappeared. It was great fun to watch, and was his first close encounter and possible shot opportunity with a black bear.
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Some great times. Good idea for a thread Smithy. You have some beautiful country to hunt. We don’t open here in PA until Oct. 5, except for a few southern areas.
There’s a quote in a movie, All That Jazz, I believe, from years ago. The quote was by a circus performer who said something to the effect of, Life is on the wire, the rest is waiting. In one aspect of my life, it’s either deer season or getting ready for deer season. dwc
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Busted a herd of elk cows pre-dawn this morning. They were bedded down in some thick, dry brush that would never have allowed us to get close anyway.
No bugling this morning at all, and it’s a warmer day than normal for this time of year. We figured they must be bedded down in deep timber to beat the heat, so we did some sitting and listening, combined with a lot of scouting/stalking this morning, but not a lot of fresh sign to be found. Stinkin’ hot by mid-day, so we hiked out to do the smart thing – drink cold beverages and lay low and conserve energy for the next push. Supposed to be much cooler and rainy tomorrow, which will help alot…
Some of this:
And a lot of this:
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Great idea Smithy! Gonna be fun watchin’ this one fill up! Got 12 days until the opener here. Starting to see some color and the temps are starting to drop a little. Got my gear all packed and ready to go, broadheads are all sharp and the clothes are on the line!
Counting the days now! Good Luck to everybody!
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A little last minute scouting trip to glass some white oaks and swamp chestnuts for acorns. Mast crop is sparse and spotty, but my pal found a small pottery sherd. Good morning in the swamp, minus the skeeters.
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Had a bugling bull right off the bat this morning, but he was on a mission and I couldn’t get on him. Still, it was a good sign – the bulls are turning on.
It rained hard for most of the day yesterday, and last night. After a very dry August, it was great to see the wet forest in early morning light:
I was having such a great morning out there, with no one else around, and nowhere else to be, that I just decided to spend the whole day up on the mountain today. Once things warmed up and it was clear that the elk were bedded down, I did a little more scouting and looking for fresh bear sign, and built a few ad-hoc blinds along some well-used game trails. And then it was time for the glorious mid-day nap:
It got pretty hot again this afternoon, and it was clear that there wouldn’t be much action, but I didn’t feel like hiking out, just to hike back in again in the evening, so I settled in for a little reading:
Some cool lichen I came across:
And my bow up against a big old tree:
By 7pm this evening (usually just about the time the bugling kicks in again) there was an ominous wall of darkness on the horizon, and nearly continuous thunder and lightning, moving my way. I got out of there just in time, as all heck broke loose shortly after I reached the truck.
Already looking forward to tomorrow….
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Day two in bear camp up in Northern Maine. Having a blast as my friend (and outfitter) Tony Boucher is truly a good time who runs a fun, productive camp 😆
Raining like we were back in the days of Noah. Never been so wet so much for last two days. On the radar looks like weather finally gonna be good tomorrow afternoon and rest of week.
NJ deer opens the day before I return home this weekend and NY early bear (Adirondacks) week after 😀
Thank the Good Lord the Fall is back:!::!::!: 8)8)8)
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Sent an arrow clean over a muley’s back this morning with inches to spare, at a distance I’ll spare myself the embarrassment of sharing. Ugh, that was painful. 🙄
But it’s time to get back out there…
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Smithhammer wrote: Sent an arrow clean over a muley’s back this morning with inches to spare, at a distance I’ll spare myself the embarrassment of sharing. Ugh, that was painful. 🙄
But it’s time to get back out there…
Doh! Get back after em, and keep the updates coming for us poor saps whose seasons aren’t in yet.
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Smithhammer wrote: Sent an arrow clean over a muley’s back this morning with inches to spare…
At the risk of stating the obvious… aim lower 😆
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Good times fellas. I’m jealous. Stick one!!!
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Steve Graf wrote:
At the risk of stating the obvious… aim lower 😆
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Good day. Did some scouting. Found a deer trail, and tracks just where I expected. Near a stream I fish frequently. Poor pic, but that IS a deer track.
Also think I have the documentation coming that will allow me to get a hunting license, without the time & cost of taking a firearms safety course. Gory details omitted.
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Bruce, a clean miss is easier to live down than a bad hit…:roll: Our whitetail season is still a few weeks off and I don’t quite feel ready. Good luck,my friend. And to one and all, hit ’em hard! Wayne
ps Going out in the back yard and fling some arrows to raise my confidence level.
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Well…
In Northern Maine the drenching has stopped but the incessant, swirling, at times gale force, wind has really kept the local bruin population anywhere but out and about!
The guys who were here at Squapan during Black Widow week last week had good weather, seeing over 30 bears. The five of us in camp this week have seen a total of 3, with only one on the pole….:cry:
What a difference a few days can make 🙄
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Jmsmithy wrote: Well…
In Northern Maine the drenching has stopped but the incessant, swirling, at times gale force, wind has really kept the local bruin population anywhere but out and about!
Hope the weather turns around for you, JM!!
Man, what a morning – I wasn’t 20 minutes up the hill in the dark and had bulls bugling. One was on my left, down in thick aspens/undergrowth that experience has shown me they never seem to be lured out of, no matter how seductively you call, and that it’s impossible to stalk them in.
The other was in a drainage down on my right, sounding like a bigger bull in the full throes of pre-rut madness, so I opted to chase him instead. A steady wind was coming down the drainage, so I maneuvered below him, while he was screaming his head off. Suddenly, I hear a second bull respond from the hillside above, and shortly after, I see him coming down the hillside to join the first bull. And before I know it, I’m in between the two of them and just slightly downwind, while they bellow back and forth, at times each of them no more than 100 feet away from me. But the vegetation in the bottom of the drainage was so thick, I still couldn’t get close enough.
Even though I know they didn’t wind me, something might have made them suspicious because eventually they clammed up and moved farther up the drainage. I continued working my way up, and discovered an excellent series of recently-used wallows that I hadn’t known about before.
All in all, a fine morning with some adrenaline-filled moments, and some new info for the map. Gonna head back out this afternoon and sit above that wallow…
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Spent 14 hours in the mountains yesterday, from pre-dawn to sunset. Other than a few distant bugles in the morning, it was pretty quiet. Still, I didn’t feel like hiking out pre-maturely, and I knew that if I went home, all I would be thinking about was being back out in the wilds.
Came across this very recently destroyed sapling and torn-up ground. Hard to tell from the pic, but the tree and the ground around it, were really torn to hell. The bull who did this must have been seriously worked up!!
By mid-day, it was clear that the morning’s activity was done, and everything was bedded down for the afternoon. Seemed like a good idea, so I thought I’d take a cue from the rest of the animals. Last week, I packed in my hammock and tarp, and stashed them in a dry bag in a centrally-located spot. Since I planned to spend the whole day up in the hunting grounds, this seemed like a perfect time to lay low for a while and put it to use:
Sets up and takes down in a flash, and the whole thing weighs just over 3lbs. The mid-day spike – one of the best ideas I’ve had a in a while, if I do say so myself! 😀
Significantly cooler weather this week – can only help the hunting…
Good luck to everyone.
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That is a nice spot for a nap….thanks for sharing. I still have to wait a few more weeks for the start of the season. Good luck to all…be safe
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Saturday is our opener here in Wisconsin. I’m gettin’ pretty revved up! Givin’ the weekend to the girls first this year, gonna try to get them some action before it gets too cold. Got Monday and Tuesday to myself. Can’t wait to just get back out there!
Good luck to all!
Dave.
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Got out extra early this morning, and just as I was crossing an open meadow, I spied the body of an elk moving into the meadow from my right. I had just enough time to drop to my knees and pull my neck gaiter up over my face, but I was pinned in the open. A decent 4 x 4 came into view, about 100 ft. away. He looked me over several times, but apparently thought nothing of it and kept meandering at a leisurely pace toward the timber on the far side of the meadow.
As soon as he was out of sight, I took a shortcut to try and get ahead of where I thought he was going, and get set up. Waited, waited…did a couple cow calls…nothing. He vanished. Later that same morning, about a 1/2 mile from there, I accidentally busted him from where he was bedded behind some big, downed trees. Ouch.
A few observations so far:
– Despite it seeming like things were really starting to “turn on” toward the end of last week, this second week of the season has been weird. I figured that the cooler weather we’ve had recently would only help, and instead it’s been unusually quiet. And I’m not seeing any recent wolf sign, etc. that would indicate that they had been pushed out of my area. They’re there – they’re just hunkering in the thick stuff and not vocalizing much at all.
– It just doesn’t seem like there are many bulls around in my zone right now. And the two that I have been hearing on occasion are definitely not big, mature bulls, by any means (more like the 4×4 I saw this morning).
– Some friends of mine were scouting over on the Wyoming side yesterday, and they said they were seeing elk all day long – tons of them. But they didn’t hear a single bugle all day. In the middle of September?!?
Anyway, nothing to do but keep getting back out there every chance I get. Sunrise over Nunya Mtn. on the southern end of the Tetons this morning:
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Opening weekend here. Hot hot hot!! With a big moon and soaring hot temps not much happened. Took my 12 year old with me and we double bull’d it. We counted 8 squirrels and saw this hen at three yards. Maybe next time but it was therapeutic.
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Killed a cow at ten yrds.Put a tuffhead in the lungs.Went about 60 yrds and was dead when I found her.Best of luck to you all.Now to pursue the elusive blacktail.
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Nice job, SB. It’s gotta feel good to have a cow in the freezer already!
I wasn’t able to get out today, but the weather changed pretty dramatically – cooler temps, wind, rain. Just got off the phone with a buddy who was out and he said it was night and day from what we’ve been experiencing so far – there was bugling all over the place, all morning long, and he had several bulls called within range, but didn’t have a shot on them.
I’m headed out tomorrow morning, and can’t think about anything else…
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First day in the mountain!!
Wallow located at 7:10
Sitting over wallow at 7:15
Heard first bugle in the distance at 7:20!!
Should have gone after him but I stayed put, just to soak everything in, just incredibly happy being there!!
At 9am the wind was swirly and I got busted by a mule deer who was coming in to drink!! At 11:30 I climbed up to where bugle came from, got a good vantage point on a ridge, had lunch, glassed and listened for bugles. Then I still hunted until sunset thru aspens/ponderosas. Great first day!!!
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Alex,
Looks promising! Good luck and enjoy!
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Looks and sounds great Alex 😀 Keep it coming mate.
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Still waiting for the 29th………………… Alex, those who never take the time to “smell the roses” miss out on why we are here as one with earth. Have a great hunt and the hunting gods are with you or you wouldn’t be there in the first place.
Your set up looks great except all is on the wrong side of the bow :lol::lol:
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Your set up looks great except all is on the wrong side of the bow :lol::lol:
I’ve been told that means he is in the “right” side of his mind. 😀
Looks great Alex, enjoy and good luck
Troy
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Opening weekend has come and gone here in Wisconsin and what a great one it was! Took the misses out on Saturday for her first hunt of the season. Saw a nice little 8 pointer, a Spike and a Doe with 2 youngn’s. The doe and her kids came to within 10 yards of Sara and i could see her shaking from 40 yards away! no shots but great fun!
Sunday was my Daughters opening day. Rained all morning but we got out for the afternoon. Had 2 does walk past her but they caught her off guard and she couldn’t make a move on either of them. The smile on her face made it a complete success!
Monday was my opener and i didn’t see a thing! Tell me there’s no such thing as a good luck charm!!!
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Moonrise over Elk camp…
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Good to see moon bright sky in that part of the world rather than rain and floods. Good hunting and bless those with ill fortune and feel blessed for your good.
I be checking into teepee tents. I’m liking them methinks. How do they do in high winds, like 40-50 mph winds? Common my world.
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That’s beautiful! Where do you put the piano? I have to say, I’m slightly jealous… dwc
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Great pic, Alex!
Things have gone from tough to practically impossible here in the last few days. We had some cold weather roll through, and a buddy of mine was out that day and said they were bugling all around him, he was able to call several bulls in, etc. Most action of the season so far. So I hike up there the following morning, convinced it’s “going to happen.”
A few bugles at daybreak, and then nothing. Around noon, as I’m eating lunch against a log, a muley buck runs right by me. A few minutes later, I catch another, similar-colored animal out of the corner of my eye, moving in from the same direction. I’m guessing it’s another deer, so I reach for my bow, and slowly turn my head over my shoulder to get a better look. And 40 ft. away from me is a big wolf, staring right at me. We look each over for a few seconds, and then I stand up and he vanishes.
Yesterday morning, I head up with a buddy, and we hear a few bugles first thing in the morning and then nothing. Shortly thereafter, we hear a whole pack of wolves howling in the drainage below us. Predictably, the rest of the morning was totally silent.
This morning it was absolutely dead – not a single bugle, at a time of the month when the bulls should be screaming their heads off. My zone involves a lot of thick cover, so when they’re not vocalizing, it can be really tough to locate them. Best thing to do is set up in a likely ambush spot and hope something walks in. That, and hope the wolves move on…
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Things sound exciting, Bruce, but difficult. Hang in there.
I’m interested to see what happens in SW Colorado, too. Thanks for the updates.
It wasn’t the opening week I had in mind here but I’m not complaining. I set up camp for a planned 3-day hunt at a favorite site, snapped a picture, and moments later received a compelling phone call about an ill family member. In the end everything is okay, but in the moment I rolled up camp and split. Sure was a pretty camp though.
Scouted new land today. At first glance it looks unpromising (especially, I’d think, to folks who live in forested lands)…but I see opportunity. Rifles and motorized vehicles are strictly prohibited on this land, leaving the lot to archers on foot. I found fresh deer sign ~1/2 to 3/4 of a mile in, which is much deeper than most folks seem willing to hunt when they must drag their kill out. The place is an archer’s challenge but, possibly, a pocket stash for the right hunter. By the way, if you’d like to give it a go, it’s in southern California.
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The bear opener looked awesome for us as I saw a bear on thursday scouting and then we all saw another on friday while scouting.
Saturday morning (opener), I stalked up to a bear in a tree only to find out it was a sow with cubs. Watched them for a while until she saw me and completely abandoned her little ones to get out of dodge. My buddy Tom also saw a sow with cubs and later that day, my pal Tommy found a bear in a gum tree at 300 but blew the stalk right about shooting time.
Later the next day, I stalked up on a huge sow and two shoats. Got to fifteen yards and the arrow looked perfect but must have gone low. She walked off limping on her near, front leg and there was very little blood. Mustve shot low and nailed her in that wrist thick leg bone. She’ll live to have a few dozen more piglets for sure.
Great opener as the four of us saw 9 bears between us and maybe 15 pigs. Heading back up in the morning to try the bears in a new area.
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Ben M. wrote: The place is an archer’s challenge but, possibly, a pocket stash for the right hunter.
I like the way you think, Ben. 😉
Ben M. wrote: By the way, if you’d like to give it a go, it’s in southern California.
I’ll be down there in late Nov…
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I missed a 4×5 yesterday afternoon. Tough shot, 20 yards steep uphill on an elk moving thru trees, that Joey Downing ( TDowning’s dad) called in with cow calls. I had a split second to choose in which lane to shoot. The arrow passed perfectly behind its front left shoulder, but 6 inches too low and grazed its sternum. The spike bull to my left witnessed the whole thing and was looking at me and his buddy the 4×5 with complete disbelief!
We would have got a 2hours steep uphill pack job to the truck, had I killed this bull!!:D
Today, I filmed a bear coming straight to me! He came within 4 yards of me. I was walking around the ponderosa to keep the tree between me and him!!
He stopped, then ran away downhill at supersonic speed! The most incredible event of my life in the woods!!!
I got it all on my iPhone!
Magic , big country up here! And steep is not the adequate word here. Vertical is more like it
Unfortunately no pictures yet. I only have 1 or two bars of reception on my phone in camp at 11000ft, which is a miracle already, but not enough for photobucket. Maybe tomorrow
Peace out!
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Alex – awesome! Keep us posted. I’m enjoying all the posts here as us poor slobs in Michigan wait for October 1:) I’ve been very happy hunting whitetails in the north country my whole life, but this elk business is giving me a wicked itch to give it a try.
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Few pics from our bear hunt last week. 9 seen, none taken….but what a time! Etter went back up this am and has a really nice one on the ground (bear ran waaay down in a gully of course!:D) I’m sure he’ll fill in the details.
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Got my first Trad Harvest yesterday morning I have the video up too if anyone would like to check it out!!
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Congrats to everyone who has already filled a tag!
Alex – greatly enjoying your updates. Keep at it, compadre!
My stomping grounds have gone completely silent since we saw those wolves a few days ago. I think I’m going to hike in to a different area this evening…
Really enjoying this thread!!
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Biblical hale, lightning, rain and thunder after the morning hunt.Off the mountain for the afternoon. Shower, lasagna, Wifi, photobucket at TDowning’s. going back up tonight!
Joey Downing. 72 years old, hikes like a 20 year old!!
Waiting
Joey Glassing
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After several discouraging days, I decided I needed to check out some new country. So I drove a whopping 10 minutes from the house (as opposed to my usual 3), and hiked up a ridge I’ve hunted the lower reaches for grouse. It turned out to be easier travel than I expected, so I just kept going, and finding more and more recent elk sign along the way, including some of the biggest elk tracks I’ve ever seen. I really want to see the bull that made those…
A stand of Mountain Mahogany, a tree that I always have soft spot for, for some reason. Maybe because they always seem to be on the most exposed, dry ridges:
As soon as I poked my nose over this ridge into the dark timber on the north side, I was hit with an intense wave of elk scent:
So I backed off and hung out a bit, cow calling occasionally, but never got a response. Still, they’re in there, and it’s the closest I’ve been to elk in a few days. Heading back in tomorrow morning…
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Today 9-22-2013 was the end of the.Eastern Oregon season and I didn’t fill the.freezer, but I had alot of fun and did several stalks on several bucks but.got.busted a few times, didn’t get a shot on a couple. One of the.coolist things that happened was when I.sat down on a rock taking a break and a spike Elk walked with in 10 yards of me, Looked at me, then gave me a great 1/4’ing away pose and walked off slow.
He knew I didn’t have an Elk tag I just know it!
Rupe
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Rupe wrote: One of the.coolist things that happened was when I.sat down on a rock taking a break and a spike Elk walked with in 10 yards of me, Looked at me, then gave me a great 1/4’ing away pose and walked off slow.
He knew I didn’t have an Elk tag I just know it!
Rupe
DOH!
Of course, that doesn’t happen to me, simply because I do have an elk tag in my pocket…
Another dead quiet morning in the elk woods, even though I’m miles from where I’ve been hunting the last few weeks, and even though there is plenty of recent sign around. It’s like the rut just stopped, right as it was just getting going.
Well, nothing to to but explore and take pics…
Thick, nasty blowdown terrain. Elk heaven:
Looking for movement across the valley:
Aspens are starting to turn:
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had a big blk wolf cross in front of me on Sat – called in twin spikes which I called 3steps to death- wind changed and saved their lives- Sunday called another spike no shots – spikes are fun to hunt because most the time they are stupid and can be called -but hunting by yourself you give away your position – still chasing those big blues – drilled one on Sun and when I went to pick him up he blew – What a sight a young man as myself chasing chickens thru the forest – I made sure no one was watching – heard my 1st bull yesterday and then he was done . Good luck to all
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wahoo wrote: What a sight a young man as myself chasing chickens thru the forest – I made sure no one was watching
Oh man, I’ve been there…
Glad you’re gettin’ some action, compadre. Looks like crappy weather, and maybe even some snow, might be moving our way. It can only help things at this point…
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I hunted open woodland surrounded by mature cornfields today. The wind was stout and in my face, giving me the opportunity to sneak up on a wary old doe. She led me on, no more than 30 yards away, for well over 100 yards. It took a long time. My darned heart was pounding so hard it made my head throb. In the end she doubled back and I wound up letting my nerves get the better of me. As she was closing the gap between us, I rushed the shot and missed. It’s a bad habit of mine.
I stopped to pick up beer on the way home and recounted my tale to a friend. As we were talking in the parking lot, a Cooper’s hawk swooped down and carried away a starling; an affirmation that this was a good hunt. A tip of my hat to Tailfeather’s ‘Totems’ thread.
Didn’t make any meat today, but tomorrow…
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Still scouting here as the season dosn’t atart till Oct 21. Almost hit a turkey (with my car) on the way back from physical theripy. There was a flock of about a dozen in the breakdown lane. Sling comes off my arm tomorrow. Hunting is still kinda iffy, as the DR had to reattach my deltoid muscle to my sholder (which I founf out about from the PT). Thus the recovery will be longer.
Hiked some overgrown pasture today, saw deer tracks/beds, but no deer. Still hunting paradise, grass and small thickets. When they get tired of grazing, they just bed down in the nearest thicket. Blind wouldn’t work as there is no movement from food to bed. Did see a big black hairy ass running away from me in the underbrush, and another (the third) pot garden.
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Took this small 4×4 at 4 yards. Complete pass through with a 750 grain grizzlystik Alaskan tipped with 200 grain kodiak giving an FOC of around 25%. Bow was a 57 lbs recurve. Harvested in northern Alberta. First morning out seen some cows headed down a cut line before they seen us. No bull with them but figured one would be along shortly being the middle of the rut. Maneuvered to a shooting position on their trail after they had gone by and 4 minutes latter this young guy showed up on the trail with his nose to the ground and his eyes rolled in the back of his head! He made me look good. After the shot he went 30 yards and fell dead within seconds. My hunting partner got within 30 yards of two different 5 x 5’s with no shot opportunities.
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grumpy wrote: Did see a big black hairy ass running away from me in the underbrush…
I’m hoping that was a bear (?) 😯 and I hope your PT and recovery continue to go well. Sorry it’s taking longer than planned.
Congratulations to everyone who was successful so far this season. Success doesn’t necessarily mean you have an animal down. It sounds like you are all having a good time being out in the woods.
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Reddog55
Great job and really nice bull…congrats!
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Well done, Reddog!!
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Webmother wrote:
Congratulations to everyone who was successful so far this season. Success doesn’t necessarily mean you have an animal down. It sounds like you are all having a good time being out in the woods.
It’s statements like this that confirm my wise(heheh I dont get to say that with conviction very often) decision why I quit another site to come here and share… Thanks Mom!!!
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Yesterday was the last day hunting at the Downing camp. Joey and I decided to go back down the canyon where we saw the most elk: where I missed the bull Saturday while the spike was watching.
We setup on the ridge and called once the wind was in our favor on the west slope. Nothing for about an hour and a 1/2.
At about 11:30, we decided it was time to hike/hunt/cowcall back up to camp, pack and come off the mountain. So basically my hunt was kinda over! At that time we heard a bugle and a monster roar down the sunny east slope! And another, closer! We quickly setup, Joey on the ridge, me 20 yards down the slope. A few minutes after calling, I saw an elk coming up. I was ready for a close shot if he came to Joey. He stopped, looked uphill, and instead of coming up in my shooting area, he continued to traverse 10 yards downhill from me, stopped behind trees, kept going. By the time he was open, he was 1/4ing away and too far for an ethical shot. he was a magnificent 5×5! Minutes later we saw a zillion cows galloping thru the ridge above us, and we heard that monster roar again! That 5×5 was shadowing the herd and what Joey said must have been a really big herd bull!
So, Another incredible encounter in the Elk mountains!!
Slept at Dave and Caroline last night after dinner in town with them and TDowning! Nice hunt this morning close to Dave’s house. What a great hunt this week has been! Tons of knowledge, memories…. Until next year, because I’m now a stage 2 or 3 Elkaholic!!!!:D
I missed the bull Saturday down this hill. Yesterday’s encounter was behind me, in the sunny steep slope:
Sometimes the best way to be silent in blow downs is to navigate on logs! Beware a wet log, though!!:D
Grateful for my Bikram yoga training right there!:D
Oh yes, snow!
Gear
My tired ass!! I don’t look like a happy hunter, but I am!!
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At durango airport. tomorrow i will wake up in my bed in Harlem, NY!!! I’m not ready to leave this high country quite yet, but I play 2 nights in Cleveland this weekend, sooo gotta go make the doughnuts!!:D
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colmike wrote: Alex
Well done my friend, great pics and stories.:D A successful hunt by any definition.
Mike
Thanks Mike! I missed my connection flight to NYC! Spending the night in Denver! It’s hard to let go of Colorado, it seems!!:D
Reddog! Wow, congrats, bruh!!!
I finally had a chance to look thru every page of this thread, and all I’ve gotta say is… Oonnbelievable!!!:D
Great pics, Bruce !!
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Great photos and stories, everyone. Fantastic elk, Reddog. Got away a few times in the last week, but sightings have been sparse. Saw two deer one morning, just out of range. Hunted a hot persimmon day before yesterday….nothing showed but a coon who proceeded to climb every branch munching on ‘simmons and paying me no mind. Finally cooling off a little this weekend, so maybe it’ll get right.:D
What an awesome time of year.
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Weather changed here a bit over night:
Came across a nice 5×5 early on, but he was silent, and wouldn’t come in to any calling (same story we’ve had all month). So we kicked back for a bit, and then set off tracking him across hell and back for the next 2 hours. The next time we saw him he busted for the next county.
But I did come across a nice consolation prize:
More snow on the way tonight, and then it is supposed to warm up a bit for the last few days of the season. Weirdest rut I’ve seen so far…
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Nice shed, Bruce! Yes it snowed and got colder up there where we were too starting Sunday
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Rain continues to plague us here, including this morning, with the general archery season ending Sunday. Like last year I may have to go into overtime to make meat on a cow tag–bowhunting in rifle season.
This is a particular tough season with rain setting elk free of waterholes and now that they’re all herded up the bugling has stopped, so ends my stalking buglers. But on nice days it’s still a joy to be out there as something interesting is always going on, if only we look closely enough. Last evening this doe and big fawn came in where I was sitting in a hillside ground blind and hung around well within range for half an hour, allowing me to get a bunch of photos and learn a few more details of deer behavior when they’re relaxed. I love having non-target animals come in while I’m hunting, because it tells me I’m doing good work. For example these deer are right where I walked through a couple of hours before, so I obviously didn’t leave a scent trail. When I’m sitting I always have a camera right beside me, and if I’m able to use it to take pics, then I’d also be able to get my bow up and draw if it was a target animal. And of course it’s always fun and a privilege to be able to observe wary wildlife in a natural setting. Notice how much scruffier these prime muleys are than whitetails. I have a buck tag but much prefer eating elk. Good luck to all. I’ll be back at it soon’s the rain and wind move on.
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For some reason I can’t seem to post both photos in the same post. Here’s the rest of the family …
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Fantastic pictures, Bruce & Dave. I stalked to within about twenty feet of a whitetail fawn the other day, but had a pang of sympathy for her naivete at the last moment: she made it a little too easy. I wound up unable to make myself drop the string. Instead, I scuffled my foot and spooked her real bad. Hopefully she learned a lesson about awareness. Next time…
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Great photos and tales guys.
Bruce that photo of the guy (not sure if it’s you or your hunt buddy) walking up the snowy hillside… I’ve taken enough photos of hills to know if it looks steep in a photo it was properly steep in real life, and that looks steep to me!
Alex, I love that pic of the moon rise over your camp.
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A few more pictures….
Joey Downing
TDowning and his son! Priceless!
TDowning with removable cast. Passion,Dedication!!
Going down in the dark holes where the elk are
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Congratulations Skinner and Reddod and those others with tags filled!
Its been kind of an odd season here for me. I had some really early season hunting in July/August, then cause I have two deer tags went down and got a buck for an early rifle hunt. Bow season at home opened after all that. I took a friend out looking for bears, he didn’t get a shot off, but I got the worst case of poison oak I’ve ever had! ended my bow season 2 weeks early. The general season opened last weekend and I have an archery only deer tag and a bear tag. But have been taking new guys out rifle hunting. Yesterday was the first day I’ve been out with a bow in my hand, by myself in almost a month, and it felt great! I stalked in to 30 yards from these two yearling or 2 year old sibling (I think) black bears, but got busted eventually. It was great fun. This is also the first season up here for me where we’ve had rain in September, which is great because its usually really hot. White oaks are dropping their acorns and the bears are getting into them now, so that will be fun for a month.
Best animal sighting for me so far this year is a Fisher! He came tearing down this stunted oak tree right above my head and tore off down the hill. It was all just a flash of grizzled brown color, but form the size there was no mistaking it.
Its amazing how time flies. Enjoy the rest of your season everyone!
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Finally got free today (retired don’t mean all free days by any means 😀 ). Quite often muleys bury up in these mesquites in the shade when it’s hot but……nary a track. I oozed all over this about mile square area, lots of little divets, gullies hidey holes but nada. At least I know to leave that alone for awhile.
At least 3 under still seems to be working for me, always a stump buck
around somewhere.
After 90* plus with 25-35 mph winds coming off the Sahara:D, nuff was enuff. Tomorrow, 1st real blue norther so it’ll feel like wind coming from N. pole. Sunday morn, ha!. 34*. That’ll gett’em up and about methinks.
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Hey folks,
Don’t forget about posting your successes in this thread. It’s going to be a lot of fun to read back through this year’s hunts later on–especially at the end of next spring when we’re all pining for the fall hunt.
As for me, I haven’t been hunting nearly as much as I’d like to but a guy’s got to set his priorities. Been a bit busy lately, but the season is still young. I’ll get there.
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Going on two weeks now without a deer sighting. Strange season so far, but still months to go. The worm will turn eventually.:D
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Spent a great day in the woods and hiked about 6 miles at a very slow pace so as not to make a noise…I saw 9 deer…no Bucks. Best part of the day I had a mama bear with two cubs pass by me at 50 yards without any idea that I was there! Phone was in the pack so I could not get a pic. Mama was mostly brown in color and cubs were not so little any more.
Hunting with my custom camo bow…
These kind of rock formations always amaze me…there was a good sized deer bed in the shadow of the rock…not recently used.
A little break before heading back…
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So with being in my current last semester of college, I dont’ have very much time to hunt. I usually hunt at my dad’s which is a few hours away from my school, but well worth the trip to me.
Opening day here in PA was this past saturday, which ended up being about 85 and sunny. In other words – terrible. The only deer I saw all day were two doe that I jumped around 11:30 about 100 yards away, and they were still bedded. Still felt great to be in the woods with the recurve though.
The picture of the three of us is my dad, brother, and I. My brother can’t use his right hand so he uses a crossbow to be able to still come out and archery hunt with us. Even not seeing anything is a great time when it’s spent with family.
Love seeing all of the updates here! Keep up the good work
Alex
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Reddog55 wrote:
Took this small 4×4 at 4 yards. Complete pass through with a 750 grain grizzlystik Alaskan tipped with 200 grain kodiak giving an FOC of around 25%. Bow was a 57 lbs recurve. Harvested in northern Alberta. First morning out seen some cows headed down a cut line before they seen us. No bull with them but figured one would be along shortly being the middle of the rut. Maneuvered to a shooting position on their trail after they had gone by and 4 minutes latter this young guy showed up on the trail with his nose to the ground and his eyes rolled in the back of his head! He made me look good. After the shot he went 30 yards and fell dead within seconds. My hunting partner got within 30 yards of two different 5 x 5’s with no shot opportunities.
Nice job fellow Albertan!! Was up in 344 early season, saw one bull, but no shot!
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Per Ben’s request.
10/05/2013, Wisconsin. Five yards from the base of my tree, quartering away. Both lungs and the heart, arrow stuck in the dirt. About a 55-yard recovery. Blaze orange was required due to the youth firearm season.
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I finally was able to hit the NY woods yesterday for the first time since the October 1st opener. I arrived at my honeyhole at 6AM, This doe came at 8AM. I really picked a spot and made a very good 15 yards shot. The Zwickey Eskimo tipped arrow from my Shrew Classic Hunter made a full pass thru. The doe ran 45 yards, fell, kicked and died 15 seconds after the shot… I counted! Great day!
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Congrats Alex, on a gorgeous deer. Love the historical component.
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Double lunged a medium size doe the other day at around 6 pm here in Michigan my stand is in a cluster of cedars in a swamp ten yards off the back of a corn field she came waltzing right by and I sent a zwickey Eskimo two blade through her at four yards she went thirty yards and went down it was very exciting one crop damage permit down few more to go !
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Seeing muley does and muley does but that means the bucks will come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D Whitetails are starting to appear daylightish now. Cooler weather is great even though my bright idea to keep my hands warm didn’t work as well as my normal method. I had such faith in new that I left old at home. Blue fingers not shoot well!
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paleoman wrote: Finally got out yesterday. Kinda real burnt out at work has been hard lately, but getting out really felt good. Saw 1 small buck and ma with 2 kids. They passed by at 15′ from me on the ground but no shot at that angle.
Good for you, pal!! ….. eoman!! 😀
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Been reading this thread since it started.It’s been a good diversion as I recoup from a motorcycle accident.Didn’t think hunting was going to happen,but I have a 3 week window to get out before the next surgery.I hope to be able to contribute to this discussion by the end of next week.We will see how crutches and a recurve work together in the woods.:D
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Got to my stand in gray light and settled in for the morning.Watched several squirrels and some chipmunks get their days rolling,and just basically enjoyed watching the woods come to life.
At 8:15,I heard some footfalls down the hill from me to my right and saw two coyotes slinking through the woods and heading for the side hollow used by the local deer as a bedding area.
Other than jumping a doe on the way out,the morning was uneventful.Rut should be heating up soon…:roll: Wayne
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So the journey begins…. I have been waiting 10 years for this day , and he has been practicing for for the last 6 years waiting for this moment.
Some warm up shooting this morning. Going to hang our stands @ 11 have lunch hit the woods @ 2.
We just want to take a minute to thank our sponsors
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On our way the stand for afternoon hunt.
Up we go . . .
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Congrats to everybody! The pics are really stacking up and they do not disappoint! Unfortunately, I don’t have anything exciting to post. I just came off my week of vacation that I look forward to all year. My bowhunt vacation! This year it was not to be… Tuesday my mother got very sick and we had to rush her to the hospital. She was diagnosed with sepsis and admitted while they worked to eliminate the infection. While she was in the hospital, I had to stay at their place and take care of my 95 year old grandmother who was up for her fall visit from Chicago. Well as anyone with an elder relative knows, that’s a full time job in itself. So between that and visits to see my mother, vacation fell to the wayside. I am very thankful though that I was home! Mom is doing well and back home now recovering and I’m back to work. Oh well, there’s always late season!
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Well I missed a doe from the ground this weekend. She was only about fifteen yards away. She must have heard me draw my bow because as soon as I came to full draw she was looking right at me. I picked my spot and released the arrow and she ducked, the arrow went flying by. I did have another opportunity but I decided to pass. I was able to take pic of the deer. I hope to see this buck again in about three years. Hopefully I have better luck this weekend. 🙄
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Who woulda thought that there’d be only one set of deer tracks at this tank in a dry land.
Perhaps this being 50 yds. away, a new scar!
The landowner has taken the cattle out so I betcha when it cools down again life will continue, deer come anyway I hope. All the green, looks like forest is salt cedar (tamarisk). Bad stuff it is. Sucks up all the water from the land.
Anyway my main plan was busted this morning.
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Ben, they buried a pipeline in that. Natural gas I imagine since that’s the big thing in the Panhandle now. They seed it with some kind of grass but they never look good. Always an ugly scar. But I guess if we want the modern lifestyle we gotta give something. Just not in the middle of my mule deer country. We can’t burn buffalo chips anymore and if we could the **A would shut us down:D. I imagine it’ll settle down in a while. Hope.
There are some nice deer that live around here. One I took a few years back.
The deer cross from one drainage to another in this area but now not so good. Of course the weather changes patterns too. It was nice and cool then yesterday it was 85 deg. Dang it.
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By the way, if you’ll notice in that picture how the antlers are definitely mule deer on left side but very whitetail like on the left. I knew he was muley when I shot him but when I found him that whitetail looking side was sticking up out the grass. Scared me cause I’d already filled my other tag and I thought I’d really screwed up. I have another set (smaller) that are cross looking like that. I’ve heard about cross breeding and maybe so:?:?
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Wow, that’s a nice, freaky looking deer right there, R2!
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Hey gang –
Haven’t been around in a bit, since my archery elk season ended I’ve been trying to catch up on all the work I blew off to chase elk, and I’ve been doing lots of bird hunting with my favorite shorthair. Didn’t get an elk with m bow this season (nor did anyone else in the area that I’ve talked to…), but here are a few pics from the final days:
The elk were there, but silent and very hard to find. And I never was able to call a single bull in. It was just an odd rut this year. But as always, it was time very well spent.
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Bruce…I had wondered what was going on with you now.Guess there are other things to do beside hunt and talk to your buddies about it.:roll: I’ve been trying to fill my deer tags but haven’t had a real close encounter yet. Also,have seen as many coyotes as deer.
Ralph…That sure is a nice muley you got a few years back.I can see why you were alarmed at seeing the left side of his rack when you already had a whitetail.I heard that they do interbreed where their territories overlap.Keep us updated.
This is a good thread for keeping track of everyone’s season.Glad you come up with the idea,Bruce.:D Wayne
p.s. Some really good pics,Mr.Smithhammer!
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Thanks, Wayne! Gosh, it’s only been a few weeks, but it feels like much longer that I’ve been away! Good to be back on one of the very few forums that I really enjoy.
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Ralph, not only do whitetails and muleys interbreed, but it’s a contributor (one of many, among which research shows that predation is generally a minor contributor) to the gradual decline of mule deer throughout the West (habitat destruction is the major cause). Thing is, whitey bucks out-rut muley bucks even when the muley is bigger than the whitey, thus whitetail bucks often breed with muley does but muley bucks rarely breed with whitey does. The offspring, “half-breeds,” lack the most recent, thus most fine-tuned survival adaptations, thus are more prone to dying young without reproducing. For instance, muley-whitetail mixes neither run flat-out like whitetails nor stot like muleys, but have a less efficient run The only way to save the distinct muley species in the wild over the long haul is to isolate it from whitetails and to protect the western habitat it is so well adapted to. Lots of luck with either goal, given human greed in the first case (development) and the popularity of whitetails among hunters in the second instance. (I live in an area with no whitetails and would eagerly welcome them here if I didn’t know what I do about the negatives of cross-breeding on shared habitat.) While mule deer and the little Coues Sonoran Desert whitetail share extensive habitat, they don’t seem to do much interbreeding and I wonder why. I haven’t really researched that corner of it yet, but two likely ingredients are the notable size difference in favor of the muleys, and an altitude preference that puts the Coues higher than the mule deer (just the opposite I would expect), though considerable overlap remains. In any event, nice buck, Ralph. Symmetry and other markers of “sameness” have never interested me artistically as much as one-off individuals.
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Since we all love hunting pics, I don’t believe I’ve posted this one before. It was taken two weeks after general archery season closed. That day the middling 6×6 had 23 cow. Next day he had 46. A week later too many to count, around a hundred. Either there’s a real shortage of really big bulls here this year, or this guy has amazing social skills. Hard to see the tops of his antlers, but the bull is to the left. During bow season T. Downing called him into 50 yards of us, but since T is not an unethical long-shot jerk he stayed safe and soon returned to his cows and resumed his sore-throat bugling. At that time, mid-Sept., he had only 8 cows. The poor guy must feel as ahagged-out by now as a high school football hero. Right or wrong, after all the time I’ve watched and listened to and photographed this bull and his metastasizing herd recently, and after all he’s accomplished, I really hope he isn’t killed from a long impersonal distance by a rifle hunter who didn’t rub the skin off his knees and hands earning the honor.
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Last time out I saw one little coon:D I thought everybody had to know that! Wind was swirling around like the devil and I got busted with a wheeze. Of course, I get back to the Jeep and not a half mile down the road at the edge of my headlights stands a real hatrack of a buck ready to cross the road. I have time this pm so I’m gonna go get him!
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Scott(Paleoman)and Ralph(R2)…give ’em hell,fellas!I’m going to be hunting solely on Saturdays for rest of the year.I start school on Monday, 150 miles from here in Columbus.Leaving in a few hours.
Go get that hatrack buck you saw,Scott, and report back here for all of us to read.
Ralph…happy anniversary to you and the missus! Family things are the most important items to tend to,but take that time to get that wall hanger.
Above all…enjoy! Wayne
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paleoman wrote: Here’s my story. I’m going to have my bow painted black with a white stripe up the middle. Skunked again:evil: I think the rut better kick in because I need it!
You and me both, brother. If it wasn’t for my shorthair and my scattergun, I wouldn’t have much in the freezer at this point.
Went out this morning with a buddy and our longbows looking for grouse and/or snowshoe hares (perfect time of year for the latter, as they’ve already started turning white, but there’s no snow on the ground…). Didn’t see a single grouse, and the only hare we saw was in the talons of a Great Horned Owl, sitting in a branch. We watched it for a while, pondering the superior competition we were up against. Still, not a bad way to spend a late October Sunday morning.
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Got out this weekend,bad leg and all.Saw plenty of Wisconsin white tails.Even started to draw my Kodiak a couple of times,but didn’t get a shot off.My son did get a nice 6pt Sat.nite.Great to just get out as I didn’t think it would happen this year.
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That’s great SB, I haven’t been home to hunt since the season opened back at the end of Sept. So I’m having to live through the stories here.
Good luck on your next outing.
Troy
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Well, I’m flying out to Ft Lauderdale today to board the Capital Jazz Supercruise for 9 days, and then more touring in the US!! Great for finances, not so great for hunting the whitetail rut! gotta’ make the doughnuts, though!!:D
I’ll be back in the woods Nov 19 only! Good luck everyone!
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Here’s a story I shared with some friends after my hunt yesterday:
I came upon a large doe in the bottom of a dry creek, and it began. With the wind in my favor the stalk progressed quickly but I had to halt when, with only forty yards between us, a covey of quail crossed my path. What better alarm system can the woods have than quail? Both the doe and I watched, motionless, for the fifteen or so minutes it took the birds to pass. I continued. At fifteen yards I edged around a tree and braced…the doe stood broadside to me and all I needed to make the shot was the split second it would take for her to look the other way. (You do not shoot at a deer when it can see you: they’ll dodge your arrow or, far worse, take a non-lethal hit while attempting to dodge your arrow.) But then the wind swirled; she sniffed once in my direction, stomped, and trotted back the way she’d come. I pursued, just out of range, to a meadow on the property adjacent to the one I have permission to hunt. As I stood tucked in a cedar at the edge of the meadow, pondering the meaning and mystery of land ownership (and, I’ll admit, cursing my luck), something came into focus out of the corner of my eye…there, off to the left…an ear…a rabbit!! A drop of the string and a few minutes later I walked out of the woods, supper in hand, proud to be an ethical hunter. While it’s not the venison I’d hoped for, rabbit is probably the tastiest wild meat available in this area and I’m absolutely thrilled to bring home something for the cookpot. It was a good hunt.
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my freezer is now 1/2 full.
2 mornings ago it was my 63 outing of the season
and back on the 3 rd day of our season.
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nice job on a great buck and doe…congrats!
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Congrats on the 2 nice deer!My report does not have any dead deer in it as I missed a couple shots,but I feel I had a successful season.The last 3 weeks in the woods hunting white tails and all that goes with it has gotten me ready for this week’s surgery.Next year’s season starts Wed.for me!Good luck to all of you the rest of the way this year!
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Nice job!!!
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Way to go!
My day yesterday, no fog until shooting light then fogged up big time. Couldn’t see 10 yds. Cows were bawling and raising Cain then the ranchers feed truck with his siren started in. Seems he’s moving cows from pasture to pasture and the cows just follow along like they be on a leash. Noisily:evil: Why the cowboys were pushing from behind? Just cause that’s what a cowboy gotta do I guess:D.
Afternoon. Spotted bout 25 turkeys coming out of river. Ha, Gonna head them off. Much easier to ambush turkeys than catch up to’em. Everything going my way, turkey sounds getting closer, closer….. siren starts again, cowboys hollering at each other…s*** from my end. What birds? So I climbed a hill to watch. Finally all, cowboys, cows, feed truck headed of to the west to another pasture about a mile away. Thank goodness. Was gonna stump shoot but the rancher sprayed to kill mesquites a few years back. They’re pretty much gone but replaced by multitudes of tumbleweeds.
.Not particularly a good place for a blunt in this junk.
Going out tomorrow morning and hopefully my part of the hunting world has settled down.
I did call a coyote in on the way out. No shot. Some may not believe this but coyotes have a 7th sense. Wait, wait, he’s almost at full draw, NOW, haul ass! Was a blast though getting him closer and closer.
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windy rainy and WINDY! The past few days weather has made it difficult to hunt effectively. Plus the lock down has pretty much been in effect as well. Saw a couple of small bucks today and some does right at last light.
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So it’s been a while since I’ve been able to post on here – I graduate with my Bachelors Degree in 3 weeks, and let me tell you it has been a mad dash to the finish line.
I have been as busy as I have ever been with school work and projects, all while trying to get as much time in the woods as possible, mixed with job hunting. Bad news is that the early PA archery hunting season was a bust for me, but the job hunting season was good (I will know this week if I landed the job I’ve been wanting so badly). Fingers crossed for late archery season which comes in the day after christmas, as well as the rest of my job hunting season 😆
Here are a couple quick pictures I got throughout the few days I was able to spend in the woods.
My Dad, Brother, and I (Dad and I both hunt traditionally, and my brother who is unable to use his right hand uses a crossbow, glad he is able to get out and enjoy the fall with us in the woods.)
I’ve decided to pass the month and a half between early and late season by building my first dozen woodies from scratch, so I’ll be posting some pictures of them soon. Also I wanted to post a big thank you to Smithhammer and Forager for being class act guys – both offered me hunting knives to get me through the season until times aren’t so hard once I graduate in December. You guys are all the best and I thank you all again for your knowledge and willingness to help out with anything you can without expecting anything in return but passing on this wonderful tradition.
Happy hunting for those of you who still have some season left.
Alex
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November 18, 2013 at 7:05 pmPost count: 124My season sounds remarkably like yours (well, except for the degree part – I’ve been educated well beyond my intelligence several times over).
Good luck on the hunting fronts, and here’s to hoping that the late season puts some blood on that knife from the field and an offer letter from the job on your desk.
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I have nothing to report for myself but my friend shot a young 6 point last friday evening . Arrow passed through the middle of both lungs . He said it simply stood up on its hind legs and fell over DEAD. As quick as that happened another bigger buck come in and began to use his antlers to push and roll the dead buck . Just like a typical high school bully , picking on the weaker ones or handicapped .
I was hunting the same property that evening and only saw HIGH SPEED CHIPMUNKS and grey squirrels . 99% of the time we can tell when it’s a squirrel on the ground without looking . But , them da’gum chipmunks sound like a cow dragging it’s feet coming across the woods.
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Let’s see, got busted twice 1 1/2 hours before daylight trying to get where I wanted to be. Got there and got pinned down by a wt doe. Waited her out, thought she was out of area, busted again. Went snooping in next draw north, nothing, headed more north towards river, discovered glasses missing, damn, back to 1st draw. Found little wt buck same place doe was, pinned down again, waited him out, found glasses, then back north again. Ha, 52 turkeys but no way to outsmart 104 turkey eyeballs. Gonna take pic, camera I’ve been fixing for years now way bad :evil:,. Lens stuck half in/out, out/in? Anyway tapping no longer worked (researched once, only known cure). Sharp blow solved the problem, pulled SD card and gonna get new camera tomorrow. Archaeologist have something to wonder about story of item’s demise someday when they find it at bottom of rock pile. Wind up now, 35-40 mph + temp up from 32 to now 65 deg., I’m cooking in my longjohn bottoms so time to go truck, drink coffee, spill coffee in lap, decide best forget hunting today, go home take nap… Go back Thursday before blue norther hits us.
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Photo from an unseasonably warm December Friday morning.
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tailfeather wrote: Photo from an unseasonably warm December Friday morning.
Wow – that’s the first part of the country that I’ve heard is “unseasonably” warm right now! Enjoy it!
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Tomorrows crazy forecast:
78 high
61 low:shock:
Pretty sure that means I should go fishing.
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Yow – that too warm. Crazy weather nationwide right now. It was -23 when I got up this morning, without the windchill.
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Now that’s cold. Once upon a time I was a lift op at Big Sky, not too far from you. We’d run the lifts if it was -25 or warmer. Never figured out how flying down a mountain in -25 degree weather was enough fun to pay for.
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