Screw-in Abowyer Brown Bear

[Patrick]

#7339

Just in case anyone interested, missed it, they are now available:
http://www.abowyer.com/screw_on_broadhead.html

I figured they’d be 300 grains, but they’re “only” 260.

[rayborbon]

#60914

I noticed they like to hunt bricks too. Much like the folks at 3 Rivers Archery and their woodsman. At least they are made in the USA. Looks like a decent product.

260 grains. Piece of cake. Should I throw a log at the critter and hope it get’s there last? Just kidding.

Now if they would convert their bonehead over it would be a good addition to the selections. Although getting an adapter into the carbon shafts so that you can glue on broadheads is pretty easy and inexpensive.

[David Petersen]

#61367

I hunted last year with Brown Bears and 120-grain glue-in adapters, plus 100-grain brass carbon inserts. My other heads of choice — Concord and ABS Ashby — were equally heavy. I forget now what was what but one of those three killed a 5×5 bull for me, and the other two, shot into the carcass (one through the shoulder blade at an angle and the other through the chest) also gave superb penetration. At this point I stick with my opinion that for the money, the Brown Bear is the best head on the market FOR THE MONEY for really heavy game like elk. However I just got a pack of the new improved Grizzly El Grandes in 200 grains glue-on and have high hopes for them. While they are HUGE, looking almost like spear points, they have all the right stuff for max penetration. My only concern is how they’ll fly. Experiments will have to wait until turkey season is done. 😀

[sapcut]

#61584

My only concern is how they’ll fly

I’ll settle that right quick like…

They are great flying but bad medicene for anything that wants to create resistence.

[David Petersen]

#62780

Sapcut — yah, geeze, those things look like they’d cut a small deer plumb in half! Make it easier to pack out and save field dressing! :shock::D8)

[MontanaFord]

#62837

I’ll have to look into these heads. When I looked at them, they looked really nice.

[Jason Wesbrock]

#63049

David Petersen wrote: Sapcut — yah, geeze, those things look like they’d cut a small deer plumb in half! Make it easier to pack out and save field dressing! :shock::D8)

According to their web site, they’re only 1 3/16″ wide, which is kind of a normal width. I thought they looked wider in the photos.

[Fletcher]

#63680

According to my calipers, my new 200 gr Grizz are 1 5/32″; just under 1 3/16. Still wide enuf, I think. 😉

[Patrick]

#8124

I wonder what those of you who are more informed than I would choose: the Carbon or Stainless Brown Bear?

[Stephen Graf]

#8343

GEEEEs the price went up again. I better quit procrastinating.

Patrick – I’m no expert, but here’s how I look at it.

High carbon cutlery grade steel – easier to sharpen than stainless and takes a better edge. Downside is it will likely dull faster and oxidize.

Stainless – Holds an edge better than carbon steel and won’t rust. Downside is it doesn’t take as keen an edge and it is harder to sharpen and it is a little more expensive.

Since they are so expensive, I would definitely reuse them if possible. Thus re-sharpening is required so I will probably get the high carbon steel ones.

If you get their grinding wheel sharpening system, then the stainless sharpening issue is probably mute.

Like I said, I am no knife expert. But I was at a trade show a few years ago and spoke with one of the knife vendors. He said that his line of knifes (forgot maker, but it was american) converted all their knifes to stainless. But then they got lots of complaints about how hard it was to sharpen and what a poor edge resulted. So they went back to high carbon steel on the entire line.

My guess is that for throw away broadheads that come sharp out of the package, stainless is the best option. It has been used for years on 3 bladed cheap broadheads. But when you consider a 2 bladed expensive broadhead meant to last many seasons, the merits of high carbon steel will win out….

[Patrick]

#8379

Thanks, I kind figured as much. I do wonder though: Is it because of the oxidation that stainless is better? And if so, if you keep a high carbon broadhead lubed/greased will it maintain its sharper edge, or is there more to the equation?

I’m getting the KME Knife sharpener. I probably won’t be buying these specific broadheads (switching to wood arrows…at least trying them), just wondering what others would likely buy.

[David Petersen]

#8495

Patrick, I think Steve’s advice is solid. To add one more element for consideration — relative hardness. Generally stailness is harder than carbon. The hardest heads today are up around 57 and thus very difficult to sharpen. Anything below 50 is too soft according to Ashby’s tests — tips bend and break, which I have repeatedly experienced. I personally look at just about everything except stainless vs carbon when choosing a head: MA, weight, and hardness. For my own sharpening skills(?) and hunting needs, I find 52-54 to be a great “compromise.” That said, the new El Grande, which I’m assuming is still around 57 Rockwell, isn’t so difficult to sharpen at all since it comes much sharper than the old model and with the KME knife sharpener it took me less than 5 minutes each to get new heads where I want them, with a loss of less than 5 grains perhead (and they came average 204), and future touch-up should be cake. dave

[Patrick]

#8669

You guys have convinced me to try out the El Grande.

[MontanaFord]

#10925

Dave,

Got a link so I can look at the El Grande’s?

Michael.

[Patrick]

#10972

Here it is Michael. Click on “Broadheads” button located on the left hand side of the page, then go to the bottom of the page:
http://grizzly.awardspace.com/

[MontanaFord]

#11502

Thanks, Patrick.

Michael

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