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I’m in love! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYQWViXCjeg
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David Petersen wrote: I’m in love!
Me too Dave, did you see that little guy throw the (what ever the heck that was) over his shoulders? That would be like me fireman carrying a scrub bull. He’s dreamy 😉
Also, screw the gillie, next time I hunt it will be in a G-string!
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Dave…I thought you liked red heads!!!
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There are a series of the videos, several in Russian. Sorry about the box ads that pop up after the video–that’s a price of using youtube and nothing to be done about it. Rather like watching a good hunting video then having a dozen links for horn porn showing up. I figure we’re mature enough to handle it. 8)
What I found interesting is the Bushmen’s “bowhunting style,” which seems to involve launching dozens of arrows from great distances. I wonder if that tells us anything about how the first bowhunters operated. I’m guessing poison arrows have been around from the beginning. Yesterday I spent the day visiting with a professor who oversees an archaeological dig in Ethiopia where they are finding dozens of what are clearly arrow heads … from 40,000 years ago! This gentleman is a trad bowhunting and feels that eventually they will be able to prove that people had bows and arrows that far back. I don’t know why I hope its true, but I do. After examining several of the points there’s no way they can be anything else as they’re way too small for spear or even atlatl points and there is no evidence that any early Africans ever had atlatls. After finding that stone knife blade last week I’m keenly interested in this stuff.
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That is a great video! i love how he just hoists the gazelle on his back, guts and all, and carries it back.
There’s a website called Documentary Educational Resources and they have a series of videos about the !Kung. One of the videos is called “The Hunters”. It is an awesome documentary of a 13 day hunt for giraffe. It’s expensive to purchase, but if you’re near a university or library they might be able to loan it from elsewhere. My school’s library has a copy which is where I found it in the first place.
Like you said Dave, the distance they shoot at, the use of poisons, the need to track the animal sometimes for days until the poison takes effect, and in the video “The Hunters” having to finish the giraffe with spears makes me contemplate what I’m doing out there with a wooden bow in my hand, as well as puts into perspective how tough I think I am on some “hard hunts”8). Most of us really aren’t subsistence hunting, if we were we’d probably be doing it differently. Native peoples used traps, drove bison off cliffs, drove deer into bays, and frankly most survived on acorns, pine nuts, or some starchy tuber. Foods that would difficult for us to get used to eating everyday. But, that being said, hunting played a critical role in the evolution of Hominids, and is probably why all of us on this forum have regressed to some form of “primitive hunting”. Its real and we can feel it in our bones even if we’re not true subsistence hunters.
There’s my rant for the day:D. Love those kinds of videos. I better get outside and pick some berries or do something real and not on this computer!
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David Petersen wrote:
What I found interesting is the Bushmen’s “bowhunting style,” which seems to involve launching dozens of arrows from great distances. I wonder if that tells us anything about how the first bowhunters operated.
It tells us they weren’t paying 100 bucks per dozen shafts. Probably used aluminium the cheapskates.
Plato wrote: Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.
No one asked you Plato. Bully.
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I am In Love 2
“Sheena Queen of the Jungle” – or in this case the Namib. Always wanted to go there, Hopefully someday–
Scout
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David Petersen wrote:
What I found interesting is the Bushmen’s “bowhunting style,” which seems to involve launching dozens of arrows from great distances. I wonder if that tells us anything about how the first bowhunters operated.
In seriousness though, it strikes me as a distinctly ‘open country’ method, where a close stalk would be very challenging/impossible and small, weak bows aren’t going to offer a mortal wound to big game even then. It’s probably safe to assume the first bows were weak, but where they were first used, and to hunt what kind of animals, strike me as harder questions to answer.
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Yes Sir! I absolutely loved the video. I looked up several other videos of hers and she is quite the person. I really enjoyed when she finished off the Thompson Gazelle with the spear! Fierce but honest. I found myself admiring her for many reasons! Can you imagine being able to speak the San language and engage in such an intimate relationship with them? Fantastic…
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Yes but… Her legs are shaved silky smooth, her hair is perfectly combed in every scene. Her cloths are never wrinkled and always spottless…
I’m not complaining, I’m just saying… it seems a little too good to be true. If it is true, she is the girl I could ruin my life for 😳
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Steve — You are ever the hawk-eyed critic. 😛 And obviously there was at least one cameraman there all the time, and maybe a small crew. And most nights she goes home for a shower, etc. And in one scene in one of the films she has a bit of eye makeup on. Yet … she was raised part-time with the local Bushmen who live on or use the family ranch and speaks their difficult language well, she does schmooze with lions, which she hand raised, and wild cheetahs (though I didn’t see the point or sense in that scene) and she is an aggressive killer of game. But she’s also an attractive female who knows it and wants to look her best for the camera. Watch all the relative vids, as T and I have, and you’ll get a better picture of the scene. I don’t see any attempt to fake anything, but just to document. There is another, similar vid of a younger girl, 18 or so, who likewise grew up on a bush ranch and in this case raised a cheetah and runs around with it encountering various adventures. And yet another of three kids, two bows maybe 10 and 8 and a younger girl, who regulary go out and play with the rhinos, elephants and Cape buff. Aside from having a camera right there in the background and perhaps a backup rifle, these scenes can’t really be faked.
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I checked out Thompson Gazelles, females 33-55 #’s, males 44-77 #’s. They’re not as big as I suspected they’d be. Actually a more difficult target.
Better be nice to this lady or she might sneak up in the dark and tend to business. :wink::wink:
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Yeah, Ralph, and I’ll sneaking right behind her! 😯
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Well I think the important point is that she has connected with what we all were some few thousands of years ago–shower, pretty hair, camera and all–don’t you all wish it were you?
Some time ago there was another video on u-tube–The Great Dance–all about the I!Kung and it documented a hunt where they ran a kudo to exhaustion in the heat of the day. Can’t find that anymore because of copyright issues, and the movie version is expensive. Followed by the book–The Art of Tracking–The birth of Science–out of print but supposed to be released again like last year:x The point of all that is I suppose–really interesting stuff -one of those bucket list items to visit a vanishing life style–yet so important to our species and worldview.
But I gotta admit she really looks better then I did returning from a 62 day patrol with some folks down in Central Am.
Dave thanks for posting the link–good stuff:D
Mike
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David Petersen wrote: There are a series of the videos, several in Russian. Sorry about the box ads that pop up after the video–that’s a price of using youtube and nothing to be done about it. Rather like watching a good hunting video then having a dozen links for horn porn showing up. I figure we’re mature enough to handle it. 8)
What I found interesting is the Bushmen’s “bowhunting style,” which seems to involve launching dozens of arrows from great distances. I wonder if that tells us anything about how the first bowhunters operated. I’m guessing poison arrows have been around from the beginning. Yesterday I spent the day visiting with a professor who oversees an archaeological dig in Ethiopia where they are finding dozens of what are clearly arrow heads … from 40,000 years ago! This gentleman is a trad bowhunting and feels that eventually they will be able to prove that people had bows and arrows that far back. I don’t know why I hope its true, but I do. After examining several of the points there’s no way they can be anything else as they’re way too small for spear or even atlatl points and there is no evidence that any early Africans ever had atlatls. After finding that stone knife blade last week I’m keenly interested in this stuff.
Dave – where’d you find the stone blade? In good shape? Any idea of the period it was made and all that? I constantly scour the ground in likely spots and find precious little. A blade makes me green with envy!
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Paleo– There’s a photo of it here somewhere and I’m sure another member of the group with better memory than me can guide you to it. It’s the front half of a knife blade (it may have broken off at the handle hilt) in absolutely pristine condition, not even dirty like most other quartzite blades I’ve found. It’s milky white on one side and pinkish on the other, exquisitely worked and with a nearly rectangular white “flaw” inside that you can see from both sides. It’s really special to me as I’ve been a lifelong zippo for finding stone tools, and too, it was on a trail leading right to where I’ve hunted forever, a trail I’ve walked a few thousand times then suddenly … it’s lying there right on top the dirt. I showed it to a world-class archaeologist and all he could say is that he wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a lot older than I think, which is Ute, circa 1400 when they got here to maybe 1600 after which they’d be using steel tools traded or stolen from the Spanish. Of course for me the older the better, as I’m firmly stuck in the Pleistocene.
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colmike wrote:
Some time ago there was another video on u-tube–The Great Dance–all about the I!Kung and it documented a hunt where they ran a kudo to exhaustion in the heat of the day. Can’t find that anymore because of copyright issues, and the movie version is expensive. Followed by the book–The Art of Tracking–The birth of Science–out of print but supposed to be released again like last year:x
Mike
Mike, go to the following website: http://www.cybertracker.org This is site for the organization Lious Liebenberg runs, he is also the author of The Art of Tracking and offers a FREE electronic version of that book and his new one, The Origin of Science. Both are great reads for anyone interested in tracking and primitive hunting.
preston
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Preston, that’s awesome mate! Thanks for sharing it 😀
Jim
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Wow – thx for the link, Preston. Great resource!
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Who’d a thunk. Ain’t the world full of good stuff? Great website!
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“Walace’s view, the human brain could not be the product of natural selection, since it always possessed capacities so far in excess of its original function.”
My wifey, dearest person who I love dearly and who allows me to do pretty much as I please in the archery world, ask me what part of the above quote that I missed out on.
Gives me an excuse to get my hands on a primitive bow to my way of thinkin’.:wink::wink: since I seem to be of a primitive nature.
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R2 wrote: “Walace’s view, the human brain could not be the product of natural selection, since it always possessed capacities so far in excess of its original function.”
My wifey, dearest person who I love dearly and who allows me to do pretty much as I please in the archery world, ask me what part of the above quote that I missed out on.
Take heart – Wallace was patently wrong. 8)
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Smithhammer wrote: [quote=R2]”Walace’s view, the human brain could not be the product of natural selection, since it always possessed capacities so far in excess of its original function.”
My wifey, dearest person who I love dearly and who allows me to do pretty much as I please in the archery world, ask me what part of the above quote that I missed out on.
A great example of traditional archery from it’s inception. Shooting a primitive bow from the thumb…our strongest finger.
Kevin
Take heart – Wallace was patently wrong. 8)
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Dave, your comments about kids growing up around animals reminded me of a little story my brothers and I were told. We were hunting buffalo in Zimbabwe with legendary PH Roy Vincent. His wife, Rene, and he told us about their son, Alan, who is now a PH also. When Alan was a little guy, the parents noted that the pool of resident hippos were getting very upset any time they approached the river’s edge. Come to find out, young Alan was going down there and wearing them out with his BB gun.
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