Please Carry You Camera – Photos Needed

[Ed Ashby]

#6957

If anyone gets a chance to take photos of the TISSUE DAMAGE from their single-bevel broadhead kills this year I would greatly appreciate copies (along with the shot details). I patricularly need additional photos from smaller (deer class) North American big game but photos from game of any size and type are appreciated. These will be for use in an upcoming presentation in January.

Ed

[Raymond Coffman]

#56588

Doc —
Can Do. I Didn’t draw Elk, But will be Hunting deer in 2 states for sure [ Mule Deer – Whitetails]. I will be shooting the following arrow I just finished setting up — Gold tip 55/75, 100gr brass insert/ 100gr steel adapter/225 Tuffhead — 672gr arrow out of a 58lb Longbow [ Centaur]w/ 28% efoc [ if I followed the Info correctly]5″ helical flech—Flies – “Straight as the Road to H–l” right where the bow looks —
Isn’t There a form or Instructions on said report for you?
Scout

Ps – I would just Like to Say doing Business with Joe Furlong [ Tuffhead] is a Pleasure, and anyone of the members needing his services will be very Satisfied!

[Ed Ashby]

#56592

That’s greatly appreciated Scout. Yes, a printable copy of the Field Data Report Form was posted last year … somewhere on here :?:. I’ll see if I can locate it.

Ed

[Ed Ashby]

#56597

Found it. 😀 Both the Field Data Report Form and the Blood Trail Data Report Form are in the “Ashby Library”. Here’s a direct link to each.

https://www.tradbow.com/members/programs/fileinfo.cfm?ID=10&action=Display

https://www.tradbow.com/members/programs/fileinfo.cfm?ID=11&action=Display

Ed

[Raymond Coffman]

#56598

Got it Doc — Hopefully I will be successful, and if so I will fill out said report / pixs and Pass them to you —
Scout

[Steve Sr.]

#56751

Count me in for a couple too, Ed.

I should be able to dumb into a few here in IN.

Want to see that Tuffhead at work as much as anyone.

God Bless
Steve Sr.

[Ed Ashby]

#56903

Thanks, Steve. Figured I could count on you. I need all the help I can get. If you can, record/document the blood trail data too.

Ed

[Polar Bear]

#56927

If I get any this year the info is yours.

[Ed Ashby]

#56929

Fantastic. I hope you have the best season ever, PB!

Ed

[Troy Breeding]

#57006

Ed,

Dang it,,, your doing your best to get into those single bevel heads aren’t you?:lol: 😉

[Ed Ashby]

#57046

Ya’sua ya’sua ya’sua, Troy, I sho nuff is. Gooder’n cornbread ‘n milk. 😀

Ed

[Steve Sr.]

#57510

I think you have approached this subject bofore,Ed but I assume that ALL kills and blood trails are of interest for your studies, not just single bevel?

Gotta have something to compare to…….right? Kind of a “control” group, lol

God Bless
Steve Sr.

[Ed Ashby]

#57671

Correct, Steve. However, I also have an immediate need for more photos of single-bevel damage for the January presentation. I have loads of photos on game from elsewhere, just not a great selection on whitetails and mule deer, and wouldn’t mine more on other North American game. For whatever reason, some folks seem to think that our North American game is vastly ‘different’ from comparable sized game from Africa and elsewhere, so results differ. Go figure.

Ed

[Troy Breeding]

#60340

Well, I did it… I’ve made a trade for afew single bevel heads. If all trades go as expected I’ll have Grizzly 190’s, Grizzly El Grande 200’s and even afew ABS Ashby heads to test before hunting season to see which shoots best for me.

My quest for Ultra EFOC arrows has also lead me to try making a heavier than 125gr Broadhead adpt.

As it stands right now I have three 175gr steel BH adpt. to start with.

I’ll know what works best soon as the heads get here.

Troy

[Ed Ashby]

#60455

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: I … have an immediate need for more photos of single-bevel damage for the January presentation.

Sounds like you’ll be ready, so “go git’um” Troy!

Ed

[wildkatt]

#9136

8)Headed up for Elk useing a 70# sinew backed plains indian bow with 375 gr. cedar shafts with 125 gr Ziwike single blade broadheads.They worked great on the 2 Buffalo bulls i shot last year.Will take lots of pics when i get one down for ya.

Katt

[Ed Ashby]

#9179

Good luck Katt. I’ll be looking forward to seing the photos.

Ed

[jmsmithy]

#9203

No worries Doc,

Do the forms you listed include what type/where the shots should be taken from (angles etc)? Assume I should take as many as possible and then sort them out. This will be my first year with Ashby single bevel bheads. I’m usually good for at least couple whitetails, maybe a bear in given year. No other trips this year :(…No $$$!

[Ed Ashby]

#9215

Thanks, Smithy. The forms have a place to describe the shot angle and a place to describe what was hit. There are no ‘prescribed shots’, just take the shots you’ve always wondered about; the “what would have happened if I’d hit the (you fill in the blank)” or “what if he’d been quartering towards me instead of …” shots.

Blood trail data and photos are also very useful.

Ed

[jmsmithy]

#9287

Will do Doc…I’m actually psyched to get involved in some small way w any of your research…looking forward to hopefully sending you some good shots….can’t be too good for meat recovery 😀

[Ed Ashby]

#9321

jmsmithy wrote: can’t be too good for meat recovery 😀

Ground meat eats good too! 😯

Ed

[jmsmithy]

#9337

Now that had me LMAO. 😆

[Bounty Hunter]

#13556

Ed here are some pictures from a pig I shot earlier in the year. The wound picture isn’t great as I took it with my phone. The short story is I shot this pig at 12 yards from a tripod stand. I was hunting with my longbow which is 46 pounds at my draw. The arrows were Quest Thumpers tipped with 175g Abowyer Brown Bears with 125g screw-in adaptors for a 300g head. Arrow weight was 612g with a FOC of 28%. The pig was quarted away but with the steep angle from the tripod I had a very small target. I hit about 2 inches higher than I would have liked making a hit on the shoulder blade. The arrow busted the shoulder blade and completely passed through exiting in front of the offside leg. It didn’t stop until it stuck into the ground on the off side. The pig pulled the rest of the arrow out as it ran off. It didn’t go 20 yards and was down hard.

Wish I had taken more pictures, but it was dark and I was alone for this hunt. Here is what was taken.

The wound picture is the entry wound.

[Ed Ashby]

#13837

Derek, that’s great performance on a shot at a tough angle. Where on the scapula was the hit? Scapular flat? Scapular ridge? Head of the scapula?

That’s about the perfect eating hog! Bet he tasted good. I’ll pass up a pretty fair sized hog to shoot one that size. Makes me want to fire the barrel grill up! 😀

Ed

[Bounty Hunter]

#14022

Ed as I’m not sure the exact term for the placement, I’ll say it was on the back edge just below the spine. An inch higher and it would have been a spine shot. Also the picture of the wound doesn’t show very well how big the hole was, but I know you could have easily put a 50 cent piece in the hole.

I did pass on two bigger hogs that night for two reasons, tastiness being the main reason, but it was the first totally blonde hog I’d ever seen. Most have a spot or two on them but not this one. Oh and yes she did taste awesome. Here is a picture of one of the hams I smoked the next weekend.

[Ed Ashby]

#14175

Dang, Derek, that sure looks good! I’ve had wild pigs of assorted kinds all over the world, and they all make great eating. Even those big, tough old boars get tasty tender if cooked long and slow. 😛 Might be big one reason why I love hunting pigs so much. 😯

Ed

[Raymond Coffman]

#14925

Derek – Doc –
I totally agree, Love to hunt those pigs! All good eating if cooked low and slow!
Scout

[Troy Breeding]

#15144

I’ve only had one fellow ever turn down any of my grilled/roasted hog.

Several years ago while having a remodel done on our house I pulled out a hind quarter and did my normal prep to the meat then cooked it on the grill for about 4 hours. The whole construction crew was raising heck about me making it hard to work with the sweet smell floating around.

Anyway, when it came time to eat everyone headed for the grill under the big elm. One fellow had a good size plate full and was sitting down to eat when he finally ask what cut of beef it was….. BEEF?????:shock:

When I told him it was wild hog I thought he was going to pass out:lol:. He turned alittle green around the gills,:x handed his plate to one of the other workers, then went to his truck and pulled out what he had brought for lunch.

Oh well,,, that just left more for the rest of us.

[Steve Sr.]

#32493

TTT!

Cant let this slide down into archieves!

Doc. Just for giggles, Im ordering a second set of Tuffheads but the other bevel.

Why? Just cause I’m curious. No “ordinary” thinking would think either will provide different results but, while not from the “show me” state, I do have that mind set.

Got some Right bevel Grizzly 190s but, wish to compare the same head, opposite bevels so ordering some Right bevel Tuffies to shoot against the Left ones.

Dang……I gotta shoot a LOT of deer! 😯

COMMON SENSE “tells me” that there wont be any difference but the same goes for feathers, and danged if SOMETIMES I am convinced there IS (although it is not uniform so suspect is is ME, the BOW or what ARROW Im shooting?…..too many variables, so I just shoot what works lol)

I slapped a 190 grain Grizzly on some OLD Kelly Customs, three left, dang………..

Kelly? WHAT KIND OF MOJO DID YOU PUT IN THOSE AND WHERE CAN I GET IT? 😯

Two of these are the last of a dozen I bought at the FIRST Cloverdale shoot. I said OLD.lol

The other 10 accounted for 10 whitetail. The remaining single arrow from another set? Three deer…..so far. 😉

Anyway. Back to the top for this thread.

God Bless
Steve Sr.

[Troy Breeding]

#32509

Steve,

As long as you put right bevel to rw and left bevel to lw you really want see much of a difference if any at all.

Several years ago when I bought my first set of griz heads they only came in right bevel. I shot lw and didn’t think it would matter. Even though I didn’t loose an animal while using them, I did notice my normal penetration was reduced.

When I told Ed about this he first said it wouldn’t matter. However, after giving it a try in his studies he did find that mixing bevel to wing did make a difference. I can’t remember off the top of my head how much penetration reduction he found, but it was quite a bit.

Troy

[Steve Sr.]

#33513

:DTotally agree, Troy. Thanks.

Does give me an “excuse” to play with my old Kelly arrows though.

Kelly only fletched right wing, or at least all IVE ever seen were.

For pushing 30 years one of Kelly’s arrows went to the woods with me…….this one couldnt be any different.

As you kindly pointed out, most of our equipment is seriously “over kill” for whitetail (at least for those of us without our own tv show? 😉 ) and everything I hunt with is the same as Id hunt elk or moose with, had I the chance.

Doubt (seriously) there COULD be a difference but it will be fun to take a look. It’s not like I COULD make two identical shots with identical body parts pierced anyway. 😀

God Bless and great hunting to all!
Steve Sr.

[Troy Breeding]

#51458

Pushing this one to the top. I’ve got to print my forms for my hunt next week over in IN.

Troy

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