On TeeVee hunting heroes

[David Petersen]

#6131

How odd to find something as true and courageous as this in what I’ve always considered a bottom-feeding hunting magazine (no relation despite the name). While the writer’s criticism only scratches the surface, it’s a start, and it’s SO nice to see someone other than me rant on these idiots in print. I will say again that we will never earn public trust and respect, or deserve it, until we get rid of the Outhouse Channels and SCI, our two worst and two biggest negative public image purveyors. Do we need more hunters badly enough to have them modeled after such as this? And many more who would become hunters except they see this crap and want no part of it. I have long boycotted all advertisers for these programs, which is easy as they have zero I want.

That’s my rant. What’s your take?

http://www.petersenshunting.com/2013/11/26/7-problems-outdoor-tv-personalities/

[Col Mike]

#48112

Dave

Are you sure he isn’t related:D. Great rant. Thankfully we don’t do TV but the few times I watched those things in motels while traveling–lasted about 2 minutes.

Warrior wannabe’s in my estimation–let them join up where the prey shoots back.

Semper Fi

Mike

[jpd]

#48122

It has reached the point that the only time I will turn one of these shows on is when I am fed up with the talking heads on the news stations and then I turn off the sound and watch the stupid things these so-called experts do while hunting—

[David Coulter]

#48179

Well, considering where it was published I have to give him credit. It’s a scratch. Maybe next month he can really lay into them. We went to basic cable a couple of years ago, so I’m blessed not to have enough channels to get suckered into those shows any more. The last time I watched a TV deer hunt, the “guide” said and this is a quote, “take the one under the feeder…” That done for me, ya’ll!

Thanks for sharing, Dave. dwc

[paleoman]

#48239

colmike wrote: Dave

Are you sure he isn’t related:D. Great rant. Thankfully we don’t do TV but the few times I watched those things in motels while traveling–lasted about 2 minutes.

Warrior wannabe’s in my estimation–let them join up where the prey shoots back.

Semper Fi

Mike

I agree. Some of these “sports” are so damn brainwashed to go get an AR, paint up like they’re an “elite” warrior and all that nonsense. I swear it’s put out there on purpose so little Johnny gets his chance to get his/her arse shot off and think it’s so cool until they’re slipping on someone’s guts for real. I don’t much like blood and guts because I’ve seen it in the woods. Why the F glory in it. That’s sick. There’s a great place for guys like ColMike, Iraq, Afghan and all vets who’ve seen the real deal to help stifle this militarism of the outdoors.

[Clay Hayes]

#48243

Dang, I guess I’ll have to change my vernacular if I ever want to reach the hights of Outhouse channel stardom. Y’all

And, for the record, that’s called southern ease, not redneckese…

[Etter1]

#48312

One of the best articles I’ve ever read. I haven’t watched an “outdoor” show in ages because of all this foolishness.

[Stephen Graf]

#48669

And yet almost half of the comments at the bottom of the article complained about its “ignorance”… Lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him… oh never mind.

Here’s a paragraph that applies to the trad community too: “Professional Hunter

Unless you are a licensed African Professional Hunter, you should not use the term. Period. Not only is it technically wrong and misleading, it is just plain arrogant. You may be a guide, a TV host, a marketing person, a CEO, a paid celebrity, a writer, or any number of other legitimate jobs in the outdoor industry, and you may happen to hunt pretty much full-time, but technically, no one is paying you to go out and shoot a deer.”

For example, I know the PBS is supposed to be a good organization, but I just can’t take the name. Hunting is not a profession. Bowhunting is not a profession. You can be dedicated to it and passionate about it. It can define your existence. But it ain’t no profession, y’all.

[Anonymous]

#48765

A great rant and long overdue. I haven’t owned a television in over 15 years now, and on the occasions that I have been subjected to these “shows”, I’ve found them disgraceful and distasteful for all the reasons the author rants about and many more (the idea of “if you don’t kill, you don’t have a show” also HIGH on the list of reprehensible attributes).

[David Petersen]

#48933

At risk of hijacking my own thread, :P, I must agree with Steve re the self-defeating tenacity of PBS to stick with a wholly inappropriate name. It is one reason I let my membership lapse. Although some of the best among us are members and officers, there seems to be at least a subconscious desire to be able to say we are associated with that P word.

What started me on this now-long path of self-criticism regarding hunting was my early experiences in writing about hunting in nonhunting publications and (because I wrote some “nature” books in the early days), speaking to audiences, like Audubon groups, who are almost all nonhunters with a few antis, yet intelligent and open-minded people. Through listening to their questions and concerns, I became deeply aware that everything we as hunters say and do in public–including forums like this–influences how the public perceives us. They simply want us to act responsibly, talk and think like grown-ups, and openly respect the animals we hunt and kill. So here we have a spectrum–from a name like Professional Bowhunters at the low end, to the infantile macho posturing of a bunch of under-endowed TeeVee heroes. And they are there because our culture has plenty of even dumber morons to whom soulless blowhards of the Ted Nugent mentality have some sickly appeal. What is wrong with hunting is a microcosm of what is wrong with America, and vice versa. Increasingly, this website is a bright spot in the growing darkness. Whether it’s ranting about the bottom-feeding TV scum “hunting” shows or bemoaning PBS’s refusal to adopt a more public-friendly and accurate name, it all needs to be discussed openly, intelligently and in a civil voice … and where else “in public” can we do that other than here. Thanks, Mom!

[Anonymous]

#48940

David Petersen wrote: At risk of hijacking my own thread, :P, I must agree with Steve re the self-defeating tenacity of PBS to stick with a wholly inappropriate name. It is one reason I let my membership lapse. Although some of the best among us are members and officers, there seems to be at least a subconscious desire to be able to say we are associated with that P word.

What started me on this now-long path of self-criticism regarding hunting was my early experiences in writing about hunting in nonhunting publications and (because I wrote some “nature” books in the early days), speaking to audiences, like Audubon groups, who are almost all nonhunters with a few antis, yet intelligent and open-minded people. Through listening to their questions and concerns, I became deeply aware that everything we as hunters say and do in public–including forums like this–influences how the public perceives us. They simply want us to act responsibly, talk and think like grown-ups, and openly respect the animals we hunt and kill. So here we have a spectrum–from a name like Professional Bowhunters at the low end, to the infantile macho posturing of a bunch of under-endowed TeeVee heroes. And they are there because our culture has plenty of even dumber morons to whom soulless blowhards of the Ted Nugent mentality have some sickly appeal. What is wrong with hunting is a microcosm of what is wrong with America, and vice versa. Increasingly, this website is a bright spot in the growing darkness. Whether it’s ranting about the bottom-feeding TV scum “hunting” shows or bemoaning PBS’s refusal to adopt a more public-friendly and accurate name, it all needs to be discussed openly, intelligently and in a civil voice … and where else “in public” can we do that other than here. Thanks, Mom!

Agreed, on all fronts. Yet, I highlighted one section of your response for further discussion. You very well illustrate the problems with the hunting community as a microcosm for what is wrong with America, and influenced by those ills of the larger whole as well. However, ours is not the only group that suffers those fates as the non-hunting communities are rife with their own infantile and rather vocal minorities (at least, I hope that they on both sides are still minorities). While once groups like those you spoke to would listen and would consider other positions in thoughtful manners, asking only the same in return, today we have those that would much rather shout down any viewpoint they find disagreeable, incite mob disorder to silence your voice, and go out of their way to make your life and any that listen to you miserable. My friend, you may escape much of this in that wonderful area you call home, but I can assure you that in “civilization” (or, as Abbey more appropriately termed it: “syphilization”) that mindset is expansive and pervasive. Finding those to have open, intelligent, civil discussions is increasingly difficult.

[Dan Sweeney]

#49001

Yep. Added that to my growing list of “Share material”. Maybe it’ll make a dent. It’s a start anyway.

[David Petersen]

#49084

Forager, all agreed. The worst such shout-down mobs I’ve encountered are fellow bowhunters on other forums, and the motorized mobs at public travel management meetings. I have also had my life threatened by sheep ranchers for writing letters to the local papers, years ago, exposing their illegal activities re predator control, and so on. No matter what side you are on, or what area of life, if you speak out publicly against various wrongs, you can expect to be “shouted down” in various ways by people who either have no logical counter argument or don’t know how to conduct a civilized discussion. We discuss the problems with hunting here, because we are thoughtful hunters. That sure doesn’t imply there are no other problems in other aspects of life and culture, including hunting’s enemies … which are not the same people as hunting’s critics. Shout-down antis aren’t worth trying to have a dialogue with and getting a rise out of us makes their day. I ignore them, since they are an even smaller minority than hunters are. It’s the big fat majority of nonhunters, many of whom have problems with hunting based on what the see and hear, who we can make a huge difference with … if only we can learn to make distinctions finer than “friend or enemy.” I cringe to hear hunters curse environmentalists, for a familiar example, in the same breath as they curse antis. While there can be overlap, of course, most enviros I have known, absolutely including myself and all the folks I hunt with and many of us here at tradbow.com, are either hunters or only criticize what is wrong with hunting. Nor does any of this matter when it comes back around to the thread topic of TV fools making hunting look foolish to Everyone, except their fellow fools who seem to have an average maturity age around 14, not matter their physical age. Of course, one of the things we detest about the hard-corps antis is their refusal to even try and see what is good about hunting and hunters, preferring to stain us all with the same negative generalizations, as if we were all TV buffoons. We detest them for that, yet we commit precisely the same sins. In all of life, the closer we look, the more complicated things get. Happily, I have a fresh bottle of Bushmills in the cabinet. 😆

[Col Mike]

#49182

Gentlemen and Lady (web mom you need to work on that),

this is one of the most intelligent and meaningful discussions I have had the pleasure of eavesdropping on for years.

I am indeed proud to be associated with all of you.

Semper Fi

Mike

PS. Clay you will never reach the heights of those teevee heroes as long as you persist in using that silly magnet and piece of paper with squiggly lines to find your way.:D

[tailfeather]

#49353

Nice comments folks.

On a personal level, the Michael Waddell-type buffoons are embarrassing to me as a hunter AND as a southerner. We have enough other burdens to overcome. Sadly, there are way too many folks like that (optimistically I say most aren’t, but I’m surely wrong) but we aren’t all that way. There’s an old hunting and conservation ethic in certain places down here that is quiet and deep…with some serious and thoughtful master woodsmen who don’t give two damns about all that adolescent silliness.

We need to continue to speak up as voices of sanity. Hopefully we are beginning to see a backlash against this new outdoor “culture”. Join groups that stand up for what is right. Get involved in some way.

[Clay Hayes]

#49451

colmike wrote: PS. Clay you will never reach the heights of those teevee heroes as long as you persist in using that silly magnet and piece of paper with squiggly lines to find your way.:D

Quickly after hitting the submit button it occurred to me that I should have said depths instead of heights… Oh well.

What Mr. Schobe had to say made me chuckle, especially the last part about Fred Bear chest bumping with St Charles. That’s a mental image.. It’s also refreshing to see this in a mainstream hook & bullet pub. We do need more of this. I do, however, find some level of agreement with the comments at the bottom. I’m not defending the idiot behavior of most TV personalities, but the author does take some liberties and seems to say that his way is the only respectable way. If I say y’all, does that make me a dumb, disrespectful redneck? If I hunt in jeans and a flannel shirt does that make incompetent? If I blacken my face with charcoal, etc, etc. All of which I do on a regular basis.

It’s more about what’s in the hunter’s heart, and what comes through the television set. Unfortunately, idiot behavior is more sensational than a calm, respectful hunter and sensation is what gets ratings. Just look at the Jacka$$ phenomenon and reality TV. But, the outdoor channel ratings are going into the toilet, or so I hear, so maybe they’ll get the picture.

Kudos to the author and the mag for publishing this. The author was just a little to sure of himself for me to fully back.

ch

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#49536

I gave up having high expectations of anything on television a long, long time ago.

Pretty much agree with Clay on this one.

[skinner biscuit]

#49574

Guess what folks.You can still put up a antenna and get what little Tv one needs for free.Last time I watched cable in a motel room, it was two minutes show and five minutes commercials. Why the hell would somebody pay for THAT! They should be paying YOU!

[grumpy]

#49889

Clay Hayes wrote:

And, for the record, that’s called southern ease, not redneckese…

I’ve always called it Dixie. Seems more romantic, colorful, and cultural. Shouldn’t brand people with where they happened to learn the language. Yes, we do have Dixies here in Yankeeland, just part of the mix.

Had too many encounters with what I call “ignorant rednecks”. I have no issue with rednecks or ignorant, but when down in Miss it was explained to me that there “ignorant” means “Dont know and dont want to know.” I have issues with that. btw in Yankee ignorant means uneducated, or lacking knowledge. No inference to lacking intelegence, or willingness to learn.

[grumpy]

#49926

We have cable. Since we are in the lowlands and are surrounded with hills we don’t get much without it. Actually all we use it for is PBS and History, and Science channel (and since it is basic we don’t get all of those – frugal, not cheap). We use a lot of discretion. Bear Grillis is out, but the Surviver Man is still in (he is frequently wrong, but admits it). Mythbusters is great becouse it is entertainment, and good science. Just too exciting at bedtime. There is a nine year old here that watches the science channel every night at bedtime and writes down questions for her teacher (those that Grampa can’t answer). Teachers dred the questions, but that IS their job, lol Our lives would be lessened without Morgan Freeeman’s Wormhole, the awesome Band of Brothers, and even things like How Its Made, and Mega Structures. Basicaly we all speak with the ratings, and our wallets. You don’t see tha ads, you don’t buy the products, they don’t get funding. If you condem TV for some of the programming, that is akin to killing the messenger. NOT a good idea, when he also has good news.

[Stephen Graf]

#49936

grumpy wrote: [quote=Clay Hayes]

And, for the record, that’s called southern ease, not redneckese…

I’ve always called it Dixie…

I have to respectfully disagree with both you and Clay. I grew up and live in the south and so I think I have a right to my opinion. And my opinion is that an Accent is ok. But bad grammar and poor syntax is not an accent. It is ignorant.

The south has been given a pass on ignorance (and bigotry for that matter) for way too many centuries.

[grumpy]

#49964

Good to hear someone from Dixie say that, felt it would be tactless from a Yankee.

[David Petersen]

#49980

All of this evokes a youthful memory. As a late teen in Okie City I was a member of a really thriving archery club; this would have been the mid and later ’60s, as I ran off to the Marines in 68. We had an indoor range and a big, nice roving range in the woods. Back then it was all hay bales for targets. Leading club members were Betty Grubbs, who had recently been women’s world or national archery champion, and her hubby, also a successful competitive shooter. They had a young teenage daughter, hardly a princess. These folks were, well, Okies through and through, yet quite enjoyable and entertaining.

For example, one day Mr. Grubbs and I were out doing range maintenance, moving hay bales, etc., when his daughter did something that really annoyed him, at which he yelled at her: “You gol-dang ignoranus, ain’t you got no bringuns-up!” Those folks would have been perfect for a family reality show! 😆

[sinawalli]

#50300

David Petersen wrote: All of this evokes a youthful memory. As a late teen in Okie City I was a member of a really thriving archery club; this would have been the mid and later ’60s, as I ran off to the Marines in 68. We had an indoor range and a big, nice roving range in the woods. Back then it was all hay bales for targets. Leading club members were Betty Grubbs, who had recently been women’s world or national archery champion, and her hubby, also a successful competitive shooter. They had a young teenage daughter, hardly a princess. These folks were, well, Okies through and through, yet quite enjoyable and entertaining.

For example, one day Mr. Grubbs and I were out doing range maintenance, moving hay bales, etc., when his daughter did something that really annoyed him, at which he yelled at her: “You gol-dang ignoranus, ain’t you got no bringuns-up!” Those folks would have been perfect for a family reality show! 😆

Reminds me of the one and ONLY episode of duck dynasty I watched…

[tailfeather]

#50423

Steve Graf wrote: And my opinion is that an Accent is ok. But bad grammar and poor syntax is not an accent. It is ignorant.

Yep….I actually love all the different accents across this country (down with the homogenization of regional dialects!)…they vary even within the same state, much like barbeque styles.

But I don’t like the exaggerated accents and often intentionally poor grammar. And I still say ya’ll, too.:D

[Clay Hayes]

#50478

you’re right steve, it’s not an accent. It’s dialect. But that’s besides the point.

I am ignorant… of a lot of things, maybe even the english language but I think not. It’s hard to break 27 (that’s when I left the south) years of emersion in southern dialect even if I wanted to. But that’s besides the point as well.:roll:

I’m not really sure what the point is, other than regional dialect, dress code, choice of camo, etc. doesn’t make the man. It’s a little deeper than that.

I think TV personalities are a little like politicians. They’re a reflection of the people that support them. So, until the hunting culture at large changes for the better, we’ll continue to see what we see.

But, I think we are undergoing a shift, something along the lines of Don’s editorial an issue or so ago. Something about a paralel with the Michael Pollan crowd (The Omnivore’s Dilemma is a great read btw). And please forgive my spelling, they didn’t teach that down yander:D

[David Bartlett]

#50939

Fellow Hunters,

This is my first post. I have been lurking here for some time and finally felt compelled to contribute.

We can only hope that this type of “Hunting” is on the decline, and drops off the American radar ASAP! This is not the kind of public relations that any sportsman’s organization needs or wants.

As far as the comments about speaking “English” goes, the TeeVee hunters do not have a monopoly on that at all. Just listen to most “professional” participants in any activity on TV these days, be it football, baseball, or any other ball.

I have a nephew who is soon to be a professional baseball pitcher. I asked him to do me one favor if he is ever interviewed later on in his life, and that is to count to ten before answering any question, and to answer using a complete sentence.

I am proud to associate with “True” Hunters!

David Bartlett

[Anonymous]

#50984

grumpy wrote: Good to hear someone from Dixie say that, felt it would be tactless from a Yankee.

When has that every stopped a damnyankee from chiming in? 😉

Clay hits the points well, and covers a lot of ground in very short order (a trait of his, I suspect). The stereotypical image being portrayed is as insulting as many older depictions of race/gender/ethnicity that are now verboten but regrettably the depiction of a Southern or country person (especially male) as an uneducated, illiterate rube is one that is not only socially acceptable today but made to sell well. One need only look at the miserable excuses for “comedian” that are spouting tag lines on TV, radio, and in print – mostly on t-shirts, caps, and truck stickers – as well as the reprobates in the “hunting” shows we’re discussing here for evidence of those facts.

Case in point (and those that know me and know where I work can understand the irony here as this institution epitomizes political correctness): I have a rather thick Southern accent – though it is FAR less than it used to be and less than it returns to if I spend any amount of time “back home. I was the subject of conversation at work due to this accent when a very senior official here openly stated that I was not to work on certain projects because with my accent, I “sounded like an ignorant, uneducated hick”. The backpedalling was rather impressive when I asked whether similar comments would be equally applicable were I to be Middle Eastern, Asian, or gay and thus “scary” or “too technically smart” or “too soft” to be included would violate the institutions policies on discrimination.

The rationale, here, is that by fomenting the stereotypes of Southern/country individuals as being uneducated and illiterate, and by making those individuals – or ones playing that role – the “faces of hunting”, we are allowing a form of discrimination based upon ethnicity to continue and portraying all hunters as equally uneducated and illiterate. If someone could explain to me how this is beneficial, I’d gladly listen but for the life of me I cannot see an upside.

We have some wonderfully articulate and intelligent people within the hunting community (and yes, even within native born Southern communities). These people are and should be the spokespeople for hunting and for living the ethics of Bear, Leupold, and Roosevelt. It is our responsibility to do what we can to forward that initiative and not only refuse to support but actually oppose the current crop of advertising-based prejudicial ignorance portrayed on the media about hunting. I think Clay’s new movie (haven’t seen it yet) and “The Good Hunt” are two great ways to start this movement. I’ve seen others that have been superb as well (Zac Griffith’s Persian Ibex hunts in New Mexico are very good). I can imagine that Blake Fischer would do well “out front”, and know that there are many others, too, that could carry the message forward in the ways and manners it ought to be done to advance hunting without degrading the game or the people involved. These should be the rule, not the exception.

I’ll step off my soapboxes now.

[David Petersen]

#51061

Glad to have you here, David.

And yup, the lighthearted discussion of “dialect” is an aside to this discussion and our concern, not the problem per se. But the “coincidence” of people acting stupid and talking stupid on these bogus TV hunting shows is “statistically significant.” 😛 There are accents, and there is ignorance. Sometimes the two overlap, whether Yank or Rebel.

[James Harvey]

#51633

Clay’s reasonable concern over questions of style aside, I reckon the author hit the nail on the head…

Unrelated to Dave, Petersen wrote: You know why Fred Bear didn’t do it? … he was a grown man.

Jim

[Fallguy]

#52090

As a young midwestern lad 18 years of age I encountered about a dozen young gals from Mississippi and Louisiana at a 4-H conference. As I walked up to them (they all were Very Pleasing to the eye) I asked. How are you guys doing? Their response was to turn side ways scowl and ask if I was blind. I apologized for my choice of words and asked for forgiveness. We had a lot of fun over the next week. And I found I had a accent / dialect to. 😆

[grumpy]

#52098

Grew up in an ariea where there was very litle accent, very good grammer, and lots of educaional oppertunities. Trying not to look down on those that didn’t. After all, it was just the luck of the draw. When Arwen was 4 her accent was a mixture of Dixie, Boston, and ? my lack of accent. Thought it was great!

Also rejoiced when she said “He isn’t black, Grampa, he’s brown.” and realised that to her skin color is just skin color. At least THAT prejudice is finally going away.

btw Clay, they tried to teach me spelling…and failed.

[Alexandre Bugnon]

#53062

Great article! It’s exactly the way it is on TV nowadays. I also agree with Steve about PBS

[William Warren]

#53648

As the TV hunting shows quickly gained traction a decade or so ago edging out local programming which was BTW much more ethical and informative to watch, I quickly tuned them out. I turned mostly to the traditional archery publications and web forums as they became available. Also became disappointed when the catalog companies I had used so long jumped on the celebrity pro team bandwagon. They lost me for the most part but I may still buy some fishing items occasionally.

PBS’ name has always puzzled me too. There is something disturbing to me about the connotation of “professional hunter” being linked with trad archery. I know there are many good trad people in that organization but I sure wish they would change that name.

Guys, I know I’m a slow talker. I come by it honest, I was born here where the natives have that slow dialect that fast talkers from other parts of the country either love or hate. (think Andy Griffith) I pick up on the haters instantly. They usually assume slow talker=ignorance and it shows, probably because of some of the already mentioned reasons. Some southerners fit that bill as do some northerners. Bottom line is you can’t judge someone by their accent. You can however if they open their mouths and ignorance comes out. The ignorant southerner just makes you have to listen to it longer. At least the northerners get it over with quickly 😀

[David Petersen]

#53654

Duncan wrote: “The ignorant southerner just makes you have to listen to it longer. At least the northerners get it over with quickly.”

True true true! 😆

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#53665

I have to be honest here – of all the issues facing hunting these days, how someone talks seems pretty low on the priority list. And it seems unnecessarily divisive, for little (if any) gain.

Let’s focus on real threats.

Just sayin…

[William Warren]

#53679

I agree but you know, communication is always the key.

[Col Mike]

#53721

Duncan is right on. Disagree with Bruce–how someone speaks can be vitally important–there is a whole science on it–and trust me folks when your negotiating through a 3rd party translator–you want to hear all the voice inflections and the meaning of every word. Determining ignorance or brilliance may mean life or death.8) Uh think I’ve drifted off thread trust “mom” isn’t hovering over that delete key:D:D

Mike

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#53732

colmike wrote: Uh think I’ve drifted off thread…

Ya think? 😀

Haha…

[Murray]

#53983

A young lady vendor from up North called me once, and lit in on me with her sales pitch. After a full minute, I had to stop her and tell her, “Dear Lady, you’re talking to me in Yankee, and I’m listening to you in Tennessee Redneck, and I ain’t understood the first word you said yet. You gonna have to slow down.” She thought it over, we became good phone friends, and did business for many years after that. (With only an occasional “slow down” from me.

Murray

[Fallguy]

#54340

The reason us folks from the North talk so fast is because when it is -10 and our teeth are chattern the tung has to move that fast to keep from getten chewed off.:lol:

[grumpy]

#54349

Goes both ways. Can’t say how many time I’ve told a Dixie to say that over in Yankee. On the other hand, if it is not too thick, it sounds soooo sexy.

[JodyS]

#54496

We have covered several topics in this thread. As a lifelong Mid-Southerner (Arkansas and Tennessee), here are my thoughts:

1. An accent is a neutral thing, neither good nor bad. When used to get attention, like with the “hunters” on TV, it becomes bad. When a sweet-talking Southern gal uses it; it is good!

2. Grammar and syntax are great, all folks, especially my fellow Southerners should learn the beauty of words spoken/written rightly and well.

3. The thought-content of a statement is much more important than the accent that it is delivered through (Yes, I know that I shouldn’t end a sentence with a preposition).

4. There is a significant difference between a hillbilly and a redneck. Ask your local hillbilly and he will explain it to you; your local redneck will not know the difference. Therein lies the difference.

5. All of this good-natured banter is enjoyable, especially since I am snowed/iced in today and can’t hunt.

6. For the record, “y’all” is an appropriate third person plural pronoun. When I did study abroad in college in England years ago they loved to hear it. 😀

Jody

[David Petersen]

#54563

Jody–

I fear I must correct you on your point 6: “Y’all” is not plural, but singular. The plural is “All y’all,” at least it was when I lived in GA and NC years ago. 😆

But I’ll add my sentiments to Bruce the Bear’s in thinking we’ve gone far enough off course on this thread, though the off-course topic is at least peripherally related … unless you turn the TV sound off. 😛

Dr. Smotherman, I hope you’re enjoying that unique winter weather there in AR. We are forecast for -12 tonight here in SW CO. The coldest temp here last winter was -11 and a month later. I feel sorry for the elk out there. The combo of deep snow and deep cold is deadly for them. At least I aaved one of them from having to suffer through another winter. 😀

[JodyS]

#54750

Dave

You speak Southern fluently! Once you master the usage of the triple negative (I went to Wal-Mart and didn’t get no nothing) you are well on your way. I actually heard a fellow say that once, and could not hold my laughter.

Weird winter weather here for sure in North Ark. We have had some single digit temps this week, which is very rare for us in December, and have an inch of ice covered with three inches of snow. My daughters love it; school has been cancelled for tomorrow!

Since I cannot get out to my farm to hunt, I am passing time by putting bird seed on the deck and watching all of the birds, reading, and writing.

Can someone start a thread on what you do when you are iced in? 😀

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#54780

JodyS wrote:

Can someone start a thread on what you do when you are iced in? 😀

https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=7473EE36-1422-1DE9-EDA08C1E4AF38894

[David Petersen]

#54810

Jody– When my wife and I were younger, “what to do” when rained or snowed-in (we don’t get ice storms here in the southern Rockies), power often out for days, was a no-brainer! Nowadays 😥 it takes more imagination, but sleep is high on the list. Along with making arrows, sharpening everything steel, reading, and of course smoking and drinking to facilitate all that sleeping. Haven’t gotten desperate enough yet to watch any TV hunting heroes (touching bases with the alleged topic). Not having (or wanting) TV reception helps. But we do get Netflix via Roku and there’s an entire Bowhunting Channel. Never looked at it and never will.

[Col Mike]

#54835

Ice storms are pretty common here last few years. Routine the same as any other day–feed, water, poop the dog yard give them all a good loving, bring in two or more for the evening. Bad one today 1/4 inch of ice on truck, 4-6inches of snow on top–you take some time to read after the NPR talk shows in the morning—good day to re-read Coming Home to the Pleistocene, Paul Shepard. You gotta love it.

Oh and sneak out and shoot a few cold shots in back yard.

Mike

[paleoman]

#54846

Watch out for limbs and trees busting down on your top knot and downed lines. I’m in the elec utility industry and we are always screwed with a big ice storm. I think of the local Amish and figure they’re doing something right. Never that simple, but then again maybe it is!

[grumpy]

#55523

“What to do when snowed in.” Was the whole reason for “Building the Bow” no idea what I’m going to do this year. Can’t afford to read new books, and even tho our used book store is the best in the world, ir dosn’t do special orders. May have to look into Ebooks. Scarey thing is that if I am not active, the arthritus starts taking over. I’ve started making a hunting coat, I’ll let you know what I come up with if anybody is interested.

[Col Mike]

#55837

Grumpy

A winter without something to read is a frightful concept. PM your subjects of interest and mailing address I likely have some that can send you from my library. Just got a new one from the Mrs. on particle physics and the LHC which is very readable.:shock:

Semper Fi

Mike

[David Petersen]

#55883

Grumpy — Got library?

[jpd]

#56076

Just got through reading on USA today that the next On TeeVee hunting hero is going to be Sarah Palin as she has been named to host a new program called Amazing America on the Sportsman channel starting next April. I want all of you to ensure that you watch her 12 shows—-hehehe

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#56088

Good lord – just when I thought the Sportsman Channel couldn’t get worse…

Speaking of which, it’s also sad to see what’s become of The History Channel (except for “Vikings,” which is awesome), The Learning Channel, etc. It’s all contrived ‘reality show’ crap these days. I guess they’ve all gone where the money is, although for the life of me, I can’t figure out who actually watches these shows…

[David Coulter]

#56090

I’m glad we went to basic cable. That leaves so few options, I usually only turn on the TV for the weather! dwc

[Clay Hayes]

#56521

Smithhammer wrote: It’s all contrived ‘reality show’ crap these days.

Bitter weather can sure clamp down on the late fun, but here are a few tips to help keep you warm and comfortable when the mercury drops. We’ll talk about the importance of layering, as well as different clothing materials and then move into some other tips.

Ha, ain’t that the truth. Do viewers really think these shows aren’t scripted? Anyway, these to will pass. Then they’ll be on to something new.

Back to the topic though, I think the hunting hero as described in the article is quickly becoming a thing of the past. The newer hunters, the one’s that’ll keep hunting alive, aren’t buying it.

I’d like to see the Smithhammer/Elkheart duo on the next reality show. Duel philosophizing, Unscripted… And a bottle of bourbon for good measure:D

[Clay Hayes]

#56524

Clay Hayes wrote:

Bitter weather can sure clamp down on the late fun, but here are a few tips to help keep you warm and comfortable when the mercury drops. We’ll talk about the importance of layering, as well as different clothing materials and then move into some other tips.

Oops, I cut and past a little to much. I guess you know what the next backcountry college is going to be on.:oops:

[mhay]

#56537

Yes sir , Clay , I’d pay to see SH/Elkheart Show ,,,,,but I’m afraid there would be a sizable uprising , possibly resulting in a TAR N FEATHERIN’ from the modern high tech crowd.

[Anonymous]

#56580

Clay Hayes wrote:

Back to the topic though, I think the hunting hero as described in the article is quickly becoming a thing of the past. The newer hunters, the one’s that’ll keep hunting alive, aren’t buying it.

I’d like to see the Smithhammer/Elkheart duo on the next reality show. Duel philosophizing, Unscripted… And a bottle of bourbon for good measure:D

As to the first: I sure hope you’re right.

As to the second: I’ll buy the first bottle of bourbon to get that endeavor going.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#56607

Clay Hayes wrote:

I’d like to see the Smithhammer/Elkheart duo on the next reality show. Duel philosophizing, Unscripted… And a bottle of bourbon for good measure:D

Haha…well, I think I could guarantee that it would be like nothing else currently on tv…for better or worse. 😀

mhay wrote: Yes sir , Clay , I’d pay to see SH/Elkheart Show ,,,,,but I’m afraid there would be a sizable uprising , possibly resulting in a TAR N FEATHERIN’ from the modern high tech crowd.

It’s tempting to do it for that reason alone. Well, except for the tar n’ featherin’ part.

Forager wrote:

I’ll buy the first bottle of bourbon to get that endeavor going.

Wow – you guys know me better than I thought. 8)

[Anonymous]

#56631

Smithhammer wrote:

Wow – you guys know me better than I thought. 8)

Your reputation precedes you … 😉

[Author]

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