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Hey, it appares that karma exists after all! No further comment needed …
“Rocker and celebrity hunter Ted Nugent will have to pay a $1,750 fine after pleading no contest in California to baiting a deer and not having a properly signed hunting tag.California Department of Fish and Game spokesman Patrick Foy says game wardens saw Nugent kill an immature buck on a February episode of his Outdoor Channel TV show “Spirit of the Wild.”Investigators found that the deer had been eating bait called “C’mere Deer.” Baiting wildlife is illegal in California. Nugent originally faced 11 charges, including killing a deer too young to be hunted. In a deal with Yuba County prosecutors, Nugent’s attorney on Friday entered no contest pleas to the two misdemeanors. Nugent did not appear in court. A spokeswoman for the musician did not immediately return messages late Tuesday.”
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Why am I not surprised……
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Not surprised either.
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Woe, Woe, Woe, I live and hunt in the great state of California and it’s as close to communist as Russia is.
The fish and game here is the worst of all 50 states, the animal right people hold high offices here, they are not for the hunter, they are out to get you on thousands of stupid and petty laws they have concocted to wright you a ticket and fine you, making millions and millions of dollars for the state.
California fish and game is nothing more than a pimp, prostituting the wild game for money, wild life management my A$$.
You need a law degree just to understand the vague and misleading and often unclear regulation they put out, if you don’t understand the rules, they can interpret them to mean anything they want, your guilty and for a fee they will let you go.
Have you ever went faster than the posted speed limit?
Have you ever rolled through a stop sign?
Have you ever made a turn with out using your turn signal?Ted had a guide, the guide should of known the law and kept him legal, out of 11 so called charges only 2 stuck: pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors in Yuba county court, illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill.
The guide, Ross Albert Patterson, pleaded no contest to taking an animal illegally and was fined $1,225.
Do you think Ted was trying to break the law? he put it on TV, I think, he thought everything was legal, as he trusted his guide, to know what was legal and what was illegal.
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there is just to much to post it all
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this is only about 25% of the reg’s I could not post all of it besides it take to much band with.
Here is all of it
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BRUC wrote: You make a good point! I hope you didn’t type all of that:D
Did you mean Amen or Amend:D
BruceBruce I was still trying to post the rest, it’s to much, that is amend, as it was to much and would not let me post the whole thing, this is only around 25% of this abortion of a document designed solely to fine the hunter to get money.
Please don’t tell me we need this much documentation to manage wild life.
CROOKS & THRIFT’S under the name of game management.
$635.30 for 2 deer
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Big Brother hates Ted. Always have and always will. They probably tripped over each other in their rush to enforce the laws of Kalifornia upon our blood brother Ted.
I repect him for taking the high road and pleading no contest. No court room drama and money wasted. Ted’s actions surely upset Kalifornia even more.
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kingwouldbee wrote: this is only about 25% of the reg’s I could not post all of it besides it take to much band with.
Here is all of it
http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/mammalregs.asp:shock::shock::shock::shock:
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Holy crap thats a load of fine print!
I agree with you that the guide should have known the relevant regulations, but so should have Mr Nugent. If I were to hunt another Province/State I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking the unwritten word of any individual as law. Can get a person into trouble as was the case here.
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King/David — Your complaints against the CA wildlife bureaucracy are one thing. Defending the entire history of Mr. Nugent based on those complaints is entirely another. Are we confusing the two here? Do you agree with Mr. and Mrs. Nugent that “Ted is the best and most popular bowhunter ever”? Your opinion of course counts as much as mine, and vice versa, and mine is — as I was privileged to say in large bold type in Outside magazine many years ago –Nugent is a horse’s ass who represents everything wrong with hunting today and has no doubt created more anti-hununter than anyone … his only claim to fame in my books.
So far as problems with the CA wildlife dept., do you attend their meetings and speak your piece? Do you send them comments in writing? Do you write letters to newspapers airing your complaints? Do you organize hunters to change bad regs? If so, bravo. If not, you are part of the problem … as is every American who only grumbles and roars his/her complaints yet does nothing actively to change the status quo.
No intention here to be “pissy” with you, Dave. You know that as a hunter you are among my few heroes — you do it often and you do it well. But Nugent is a horse’s ass who, like Al Capone, whether absolutely guilty of this one or not, which I’m convinced he is, is way way long long overdue, as Treetop flier suggests, to repay his deep karmic debt. He can hunt as he wishes and generally does — baits, high-fenced canned operations, cabin-like “blinds” with electricity … but I just wish the clown would shut his big ugly mouth. As one who has often talked to, and taken honest questions from big groups including concerned open-minded nonhunters as well as “antis,” I can tell you that “the Nuge” has done more harm to the public image of hunting, esp. bowhunting, than any other individual, ever. Forget that I’m a moderator here. Robin can remove this post, this thread and/or me if she wishes and I apologize. But TED NUGENT IS A HORSE’S ASS AND POISON TO REAL HUNTING. My apologies all around but I’m ready to go to the matts on this one. CA bureaucracy is one thing. Nugent is another. Don’t confuse yourself or us my attempting to link the two David Petersen
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I will let this thread continue but I will not tolerate any personal attacks. If you disagree with King or David Petersen, please do so in a mature fashion.
I reserve the right to delete this entire thread with no explanation if I feel it is getting out of hand. Don’t make me pull the Mom card! 😆
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coyote220 wrote: Hey the weather is really nice here in Indiana!!! Shrimp’s on the BBQ. Have a great evening everyone.
This is an attempt to change direction…:wink:
Why? I think life is boring without maturely discussing and/or debating “controversial” subjects. But, that’s me. Personally, I wish People would speak their mind more often. I hate PC!
Oh, and Nugent’s an arrogant a$$.:P
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Don’t make me pull the Mom card! 😆
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Wow that is a lot of regulation, probably loaded up the forum server,quite a bit. No offense King, you have my respect as a hunter, but if I uploaded the NC regs on deer hunting and every local law in all 100 counties it would also be monumental in size.
As for not knowing and relying on your PH to keep you on the right side of the law, I’m on the fence on that one. I’d never hunt in another state without personally looking over the regs before going, but that is just me, I like to plan ahead. But, if I had the Nuge’s financial backing and could hop a private jet this morning and be on a hunt somewhere by lunchtime I might rely more heavily on the PH. Obviously, the State did not accept that as an excuse and did not absolve him of his responsibility.
And no, I do not even remotely subcribe to Ted Nugent’s style of activism.
Duncan
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David Petersen wrote: Your complaints against the CA wildlife bureaucracy are one thing. Defending the entire history of Mr. Nugent based on those complaints is entirely another. David Petersen
I agree 100% with you David, and I’m one to have many complaints about California ( what is it with the K anyway??)
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So that no one misunderstands —
No one who plays to the rabble by waving his firearms on stage and crudely threatening politicians with whom he happens to disagree is MY “blood brother”. Judge for yourself.
We’ve had way too much political violence in this country to let that one pass.
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Wow. I don’t know what to say to that. Pretty much speechless. 🙁
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Well I can’t say anymore than Dave Petersen said about Nugent except that I agree 100% There could be no worse “spokesman” for bowhunting. I had the unfortunate experience of being the liason between our state bowhunting organization and Nugent’s group along with the SCI. After spending a half hour in the room with him and the SCI fool I walked out and refused to have anything more to do with them. This is just another example of how bad Ted is for bowhunting. H’s a whack job. They don’t call him the “Motor City Madman” for nothing.(nut)
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None of us, walk on water.
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The length of the California regs is irrelevant… you should try Alaska’s! Anybody who hunts deer over bait should have the common sense to check on the legality of the practice anyway. I’ve always been opposed to attacking individuals in these forums, so let me make it clear: I am not attacking Mr. Nugent as a person, but I am criticizing the things he says and does. Dave is right–he has created a lot of anti-hunters. Years ago I got off the plane in Jo’burg to find the front page headline “US Rocker Wounds Rhino in Crossbow Hunt”, complete with a photo of Ted in full hunting regalia (yeah, they were a bit mixed up about the crossbow) The story gets uglier and too long to repeat here, but it led to a two-year ban on bowhunting dangerous game in RSA. Nugent spoke at the Montana SCI convention a few years back, and people I know who attended came away appalled by his performance–and these were hunters. I could go on and on, but here’s the real point: I didn’t ask Ted Nugent to represent me and what I do in the field to the public, and I doubt many of you did either. He appointed himself to that position on the basis of his fame in other fields, and we have very right to hold him responsible for his actions. Don.
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This was on the Mr. Nugents web site and his statement about the violations.
To my Fellow Outdoorsmen…. You may have read the news that I pled no contest to two misdemeanor game violations. I should have been better informed, more aware and I take full responsibility. The honorable hunting lifestyle is my deepest passion.
-Ted NugentI think he needs to be a bit more honorable in the future to his passion in my opinion.
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Patrick — a good and important distinction. I honor Cottonwood and others attempts to avoid judging others. But where would this world be if anyone could do anything and not be held accountable for it?
King/David — I’m going to delete the long CA regs simply because those of us visiting this thread repeatedly are fatigued by having to FF past them. No attempt to weaken your arguments. Your points are clearly made.
Thanks all for handling this one so well … except maybe for us two Davids 😳 It’s too close to hunting season to get overly negatively distracted.
Long ago, two Buddhist monks were walking along a muddy path after a rain when they saw a lovely young lady, beautifully dressed as if headed to a special occassion, frustrated by trying to find a place to cross that wouldn’t ruin her dress. One of the monks, already wet and muddy, went over and carried her across on his back. The other monk said nothing for a while but eventually chastised his companion, saying “You know we monks are not supposed to have physical contact with women.” The other monk replied: “I put that girl down long ago. Are you still carrying her?”
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Did I miss something last night?
OK Dave, you are wright, most of my grievance is with California fish & game, in no way am I justifying Ted’s action, he broke the law and paid for it.
It some times amazes me, how righteous we can get, when someone I don’t like, make a mistake. ( can we just strip him down to his Tarzan loin-cloth and shoot him with rubber bunts )
As JC said: let him who has no sin through the first stone.
I also can see that with his funds and his love for hunting, he might rely on the guide he hires more that the average would-be hunter does, as he go’s to a lot of states by way of jet, flying in and out from one to the next.( Note to self, you need to earn more money )
I can direct you to a fish and game website where they answer laws that are in the regulations, and if you ask 10 game wardens what it says, you’ll get 10 different answers.
( it might be written that way on purpose, as they get sued every year from the animal wackos ) spending millions of hunter dollars, defending sound wildlife management, only to have a wacko judge, tell them to do it another way, that don’t make no sense.As far as going to fish and game meeting etc….. been there, done that……. am I jaded? vary much so……. it has gotten so bad, that I am ready to leave the state I was born and raised in…….. a state that is absolutely incredible in thousands of ways, the politician have destroyed my state.
I have been a big game committee member of the California Bowmen Hunters Club and a member for 30 years, been to the city counsel meetings, big game meeting etc….., I have done every thing and more than what is required, to help and promote bowhunting in my state.
The problem with California is, it’s HOSTILE to hunting, period.
I did all of the PC stuff, I would not where camo in the city…. no blood…… hide every thing so no one gets offended,,,,bla bla bla. I’m sick of it, I am a hunter and I will not apologies for being one. God gave me the right to kill and eat, the government only charges me money to hunt.
I have been harassed, called names, had the police called on me, been held at gun point, hand cuffed and made to lie on my face, because the antis called the cops, the cops did not know if it was legal or not, all this, because I was legally bowhunting.
I have almost went to blows with anti hunters as they freak out, if they see you with a Bow, let alone a kill.Just 2 years ago, I told a guy he better leave me alone, as I was coming out of the national forest with a buck.
Here’ the way I see it, and I could be wrong, it would not be the first time, lol:
You will not make a pro-hunter out of a non-hunter, to me, that’s fantasy land, the so called experts, tell us to do this and we will win them over, BS is what I say, there mind was made up a long time ago.
If you want to change the social environment, you MUST go after the children, I have seen first hand a group go after grade school children, to change the way they think about homosexuality, it’s almost the norm now, did they change any adults minds, from let’s say the 40s,50s, 60s, maybe a few, but not many.
They went after the kids, so, as they grow up, now voting, this unseemly act, has now become normal and excepted.
As you can see from some of the post, WE ARE DIVIDED………… Ted’s not the enemy………, your barking up the wrong tree, divided we fall, united we stand.
Some say; because he’s offensive or he’s to abrasive bla… bla,.. bla…, I don’t care how a 40 or 50 year old hunter or non-hunter thinks about Ted, there not going to stop hunting because of something Ted said, there also not going to start hunting because of something Ted said, regardless if you gave him permission or not, he has accesses to the public that you and I will never have and he preaches a pro hunting message.
Mother Teresa don’t hunt……., Right now you got Ted….. some say; I won’t use him no mater what, well, that’s a choice you get to make, I think theirs some good, he has a kids camp, they shoot Bows & Guns and lot’s of outdoor activates ( how many kids did I have at my camp, that I payed for out of my pocket?……. um! none, how many times was I on TV talking about how much I love to bow hunt?…….. um! none, how many times was I on larry king?……..um! none, No one in the media asked me what my position was on hunting, because they don’t care what I or you think).
Dave my brother, he might be a horses A$$, but can’t we use him for some good, especially with the young kids, to show them the truth about hunting.
The way I see it, the only way your going to change the way hunters are looked at, is to change the minds of the kids, Disney did it with bambi and all of the animal rights propaganda shown to our children for decades, and we wounder why we loose hunting privlages each and every year.
Most of us just want to go hunting and be left alone, I don’t have an agenda, but they do, it’s to stop hunting altogether.
We have one ace up our sleeve, and that’s, that our government makes BILLIONS off of the hunters each and every year, if we really want to make some changes, IF ALL OF US DID NOT BUY A HUNTING LICENSE OR DEER TAG FOR ONE YEAR, TWO IF WE HAVE TO, just like we did to Japan, they did not believe the first one……, two was all it took, to get there minds right……….., we would see new hunters rights law’s over night, favoring the hunter.
As my gram-pa use to say; if it’s not about the money…….. it’s about the money.
I wish we where siting in Elk camp, on a cold night with a raging fire, sipping an adult beverage, instead of on this computer.
Well that’s my rant, please no one take any offense, it’s not directed at anyone.
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Is it time to hunt yet 😀
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Anyone who can watch the video I linked to above and not denounce this guy, but instead praises him for being “pro-hunter” and holds him up as someone we should join with in solidarity and even use as a role model for kids, is not someone I want in my camp, whether it’s the camp of hunters in general or my personal camp.
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I am afraid I can’t stand behind Nugent in any way, especially after watching that link. I guess I can admire his “passion” for hunting but his behaviour is unacceptable. Waving automatic weapons in the air while yelling out violent insults to those he disagrees with is not in any way shape or form benifical to hunting.
And while I haven’t had a whole lot of luck, I have managed to convert one anti-hunter in the last ten years. She is my wife and she is now more bloodthirsty than me:shock:!
I know for a fact that I have also been able to change anti-hunters perspective about differnt types of hunting. The vast majority I have talked with have showed disdain for all hunting because of the actions they see by the few in the media, such as Mr Nugent. And while they completely disagree with what he does, they will often condone or even fully agree with the “traditional” way as I describe it. It can be done. It just takes patience, respect, and a willingness to lead by example. Nugent is willing to lead, but thats about it. -
King/David says: “I wish we where siting in Elk camp, on a cold night with a raging fire, sipping an adult beverage, instead of on this computer.”
Hot damn, brother! You nailed it. I was there last weekend and I’ll be there again this weekend … and I’ll lift one to you and all our open-minded brethen here at tradbow and beyond, all straight shooters, and wish we all were there together … not to hog up “my” hunting area the next day, but for the Great Tradfolk Campfire. 😆 ‘nuther Dave
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At the risk of sounding like a lone wolf here, I believe that if the Terrible Ted did wrong then he should have to pay for it like the rest of us. He is no different than anyone else with respect with the laws of the great country. Perhaps he knew, perhaps he didn’t. Since none of us were there we cannot judge anyone for what the may or may not have done. From my perspective I have seen Ted as a staunch supporter of the Frist and Second Ammendments to the Constitution and is not afraid to stand up to the politicians who would like to abolish those ammendments. I know a lot of people do not like him but for me I can appreciate his enthusiasim for liberty.
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Danny Klee wrote: I can appreciate his enthusiasim for liberty.
As a libertarian, so can I. His enthusiasm is great. His approach sucks, and is an embarassment.
My best friend is a teacher in the school district Nugent lived in, and in fact, he taught Nugent’s son for a while. His wife grew up as a neighbor. I will only say this: When my best friend and I were younger, Nugent was a hero of his. Not so much any more. Reasons aplenty.
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I don’t know…Is it just me, or do ya’ll just want to say, Dave P just tell us how you REALLY feel.:lol: 😆 😆
I’m 100% with you Dave. Great article in BH mag by the way.
However, I do agree with King in that Calif. has some laws that are only in place because our state gov. is fully opposed to hunting and would like to see it stopped. It’s a bit frustrating at times, but living here and hunting here means that we follow them or pay the price. I watched the video on Ted N posted earlier. What a joke. He is not what I would want my kids looking up to as a hunter.
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kingwouldbee wrote: Woe, Woe, Woe, I live and hunt in the great state of California and it’s as close to communist as Russia is.
The fish and game here is the worst of all 50 states, the animal right people hold high offices here, they are not for the hunter, they are out to get you on thousands of stupid and petty laws they have concocted to wright you a ticket and fine you, making millions and millions of dollars for the state.
California fish and game is nothing more than a pimp, prostituting the wild game for money, wild life management my A$$.
You need a law degree just to understand the vague and misleading and often unclear regulation they put out, if you don’t understand the rules, they can interpret them to mean anything they want, your guilty and for a fee they will let you go.
This is one of the most accurate descriptions of the Kalifornistan DFG that I have ever seen! Now before you all say I have no knowlege of Kali. I escaped ( yes escaped is the correct term) several years ago after having wanted to escape for over 20 years. I lived with the illustrious DFG for all that time. Having been a member of one of the largest county Sheriff’s office for over 30 years I often wondered how the DFG could get away with stopping people driving in the nat. forrest for no apparent reason. We couldn’t make the traffic stops they could nor search a vehicle at random as they regularly do.
Now Ted should have given a cursory look at the DFG laws in Kali. evidently he didn’t as Kingwouldbee states they are hard to understand for even one who is forced to live there.
Ted made a mistake, let’s let it be at that.
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An important point is being overlooked in this discussion. Nobody–at lest nobody I know–asked Ted to represent bowhunting to the public. That’s a job description he assumed for himself, and the only reason it worked is that he was already a celebrity for reasons that had nothing to do with his ability or his ethics in the field. Once someone announces that he’s representing me, what he does very much becomes my business, and yours to, and it’s entirely appropriate to hold that individual to a higher standard. Another case in point, former SCI President and self-proclaiimed “World Ambassador of Bowhunting” Gary Bogner. In one of his self-promoting videos, Bogner does indeed show himself facing down and killing an African Cape Buffalo with his bow… from the back of an open truck. Now if he really wants to delude himself into thinking that’s bowhunting dangerous game in the privacy of his home, so be it. But once he’s declared that he’s representing all of us to the public watching this shameless video, it becomes my business, and I’m going to call him on it. Sorry to go on and on, but I think we all have an obligation to put this misrepresentation of bowhunting to a stop. Don
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i can see killing for meat to eat but to kill to make money on tv just dont add up to me not tring to be all ethical or point fingers just ading my $0.02 could be wrong:D
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I don’t have any hatred or dislike for Nugent. He broke the laws and will obviously pay his dues to society. The most important matter to me and most others is intent. Did he intend to break the law? It’s highly unlikely. It doesn’t make him innocent but it speaks about the core of the man.
Now as to what he does and says for hunting. I don’t know… Sometimes he’s spot on and other times he’s out of touch. Most of all he’s just a celebrity…
I do like some of his remarks on the gun conrtol issues from time to time. On archery I think he’s a little bit off from my point of views.
The ultimate test is – Would I sit and have a drink of coffee with him? – answer – Yes, Why not?
I think anti hunters made their decision against hunting long before Nugent came into their lives, tv screens, newspaper, magazine or computer screens.
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donthomas wrote: I didn’t ask Ted Nugent to represent me and what I do in the field to the public, and I doubt many of you did either. He appointed himself to that position on the basis of his fame in other fields, and we have very right to hold him responsible for his actions. Don.
Agree wholeheartedly. Fred Bear, yes — Ted Nugent, no.
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I agree with Mr. Thomas in that Ted Nugent was already a celebrity for something else (which I liked). I would much rather be in a fraternity that has 20 quality members, than 100 horses asses to represent my hunting heritage. I don not believe in the more we have to fight is better for hunting. Here in PA, it is that logic (and greed)that has let in cross-guns into OUR archery season. I din’t ask for Ted or the NRA to represent me.
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CareyE wrote: Here in PA, it is that logic (and greed)that has let in cross-guns into OUR archery season. I din’t ask for Ted or the NRA to represent me.
Crossbows are legal during archery season in PA? They are trying to get a foot in the door here in WI. Our state traditional group is against it, and that’s one reason I joined. Against baitng, too. I want to hunt, not shoot tame animals.
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I’ve never liked his music but agree with some of his beliefs and ideals but certainly do not agree with his methods and feel that he has cast a very poor and dark shadow on a very honorable and challenging sport and has played into the hands of the people that he most resents. I feel that they (the anti’s) will now have reason to adopt him and his actions as their poster child against hunting.
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“Uncle Ted” defecated on himself, and did not bath for am month before his Military entry exam after he was drafted! He ate junk food, and lived “unhealthy” intentionally to avoid serving his country during Viet Nam! Others went, others died! Ted “intentionally” avoided it. Now he sits on The NRA board and is pushing Crossbows! He rights songs about Fred Bear, and also flaunts his service to our Military Servicemen and women who did not avoid serving as he did! I choose who I admire! Ted is not on my list to admire, or represent me on anything!!!!!!Especially Bowhunting.
Read this reference’ htt_ylu=X3oDMTBybnZlZnRlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkAw–/SIG=13omdi22d/EXP=1283152825/**http%3a//www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/ted-nugent-off-his-rocker-479556.html -
A lot of “other stuff” is bleeding into this thread. I think it could spawn several others. Ted Nugent broke the law and deserves to be punished no one should abdicate their responsibility to know the law where they are hunting. If this serves to reinforce this fact for everyone then something good has come from Mr. Nugent’s wrongdoings.
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