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This arrow clearly was not shot from a compound or xgun. When ColMike, who seems to read every newspaper in the world, first sent it to me I couldn’t bring myself to post it. Now that there’s a “happy ending,” here it is … expect to see it come back to haunt us for many years to come.
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Glad you can determine that it was trad bow shot…
There are no requirements that anyone who may pick up any weapon has knowledge to use it, or respect for what purpose it will be used.
Unfortunately, I’m in agreement that said arrow shot deer will live longer in infamy than in real life, and be acclaimed by every bleeding heart in coming years!
All we can do is to stand tall, exhibit the highest of ethics in our own pursuit with the bow, and accept that we do not have a lock on others behaviors, nor even know for what purpose that arrow was shot by what persons or for what reason.
Cars maim and decimate more critters than thoughtless actions of people with weapons, but because EVERYONE loves their car, they turn a blind eye to such carnage seen anywhere along our byways!
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That’s about the worse you could hope for. Things can go wrong, so I won’t attempt to condemn whoever loosed that arrow. When I first started I missed a couple and was really glad they were clean misses as they could have been bad, messy misses. I hope to avoid this sort of thing in my future. All the best, dwc
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Under field conditions, ANYTHING can happen. I know chaps in TX who claim that deer are so hinked out there, they can swap ends before an arrow arrives and get stuck on the opposite side from when the shot was made! 😯
As little penetration that was made… and the non fatal, lack of severe damage to the deer, I for one am plagued with a lot of questions.
How far was that shot? What poundage bow shot it? Did someone do that to bloody the eye of hunters on purpose? (You think I jest? PETA was arrested YEARS ago in CN for torturing animals in leg hold traps to get damage pics). Was that shot made from far away…and just happened to hit the unlucky deer???
The unanswered questions to something like that are so numerous as to eliminate me even trying to render opinions.
Alas, I’ve had a deflection once resulting in the prefect broad side shot entering behind the 11th rib, going thru only the liver, and exiting behind the 5th rib and not even cutting the diaphragm. THAT…that was a hideous death that took way too long. I did nothing “wrong” but happenstance foiled the shot.
Fixed me on anything over 20 yards…not for accuracy, but for the mere fact I cannot see well enough in dim light to see if there might be a tiny whisp of a branch or deflecting vegetation between me and the deer…
I’m just glad that animal was unharmed ostensibly…and the landowner at least perceives respect for F&G
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how about we quit trying to find excuses for what happened and just admit their are DA’s out there carrying traditional bows and arrows. We need to admit that and then work like hell to educate those among us who take crappy shots rather then letting the prey walk.
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The issue of most concern for bowhunting that these horrid images bring up is what I call “suburban backyard herd-reduction bowhunting.” As many of you who live in these areas well know, with true wild lands and even woodlot habitat dwindling all the time, whitetails are increasingly adapting to living in suburbia … in people’s yards. In some areas special bowhunting seasons are allowed (usually after lobbying by local bowhunter groups) that focus on does in hopes of thinning out what have become pests in areas where firearms are too dangerous (and loud). This seems obviously the situation in this episode and I fear that similar tragedies happen regularly … deer running around people’s yards, school yards, whatever, with arrows sticking out of them. For this reason I would not hunt under such suburban circumstances … though when you have big bundles of delicious meat eating your garden shrubs, the temptation sure is going to be there, and darned hard to resist. I believe in some areas suburban hunters are required to take special courses intended to minimize such heartrending sights, and where they’re not, they should be. Is requiring suburban hunters to have their names and maybe hunter ID on arrows going too far? I don’t know, but it’s a darned delicate situation and for bowhunting’s sake, not to mention the deer, we should use extreme caution and self-restraint when dancing on such thin ice.
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DP is right on . In my hood we have mule deer and folks are ticked off that they eat shrubs and gardens. I have folks all the time say you can kill a deer in your own yard and yes I can but sure as I shoot that deer he runs 500 yds in someones yard and dies – just makes archery look bad . So yes I will hunt above the house
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Dave
I Don’t read every paper–just most of them and if you set up your search engine properly those articles come to you with no effort:D.
Great comments but like enhanced interrogation techniques, we and our society have to live with the results.
Where is the story of the weary hunter who tracked this creature for hours and days?
No judgement–we live with our life choices. Would love to get the shooter in my—– Sorry mom–I will stop:twisted:
Mike
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I have participated in 2 of those metro hunts. One was in Fort Snelling National Cemetery. The other was at a long closed munitions plant. The Cemetery hunt all you heard was jets coming and going from the local airport. That hunt went alright no black eye, we got the herd down to a manageable number that the disabled vets can keep the deer in check. The munitions plant hunt had a wild life refuge that bordered it and we had protesters making a stink. So they a mandatory orientation meeting where the hunt leader harped on everyone not to take late evening low percentage shots. Guess who was begging for help to find a late shot doe with less than adequate arrow placement. I decided after that I was going back to the big woods with the wolves and ravens.
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This morning National Public Radio’s morning news ran this story, or one just like it, with a deer running around people’s yards with an arrow through its head and different people expressing opinions. As usual the NPR presentation was intelligent and objective. The HSUS spoke-person was of course against suburban hunting but admitted to a big problem for which her proposed cures clearly are inadequate. A NWF spokesman defended the hunts as not the sole answer but a necessary component of control, but cautioned hunters re the need for extra caution, self-restraint, precision and empathy. In all, hunters came out perhaps looking better than we always deserve. In the big picture this mess is insignificant in comparison to all the bigger impossible situations we continue to create for ourselves and nature by our compulsion to overpopulate our own kind. Nothing will get better until we deal seriously with that, and it seems locked into our genes beyond repair. Such a world!
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“The internet seems to have become a primary source of hunting education, and it is not the sort of education you might hope that young hunters would receive.”
A quote that I found somewhere. Fitting methinks. Radio, national news all “good sources” –
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[quote=David Petersen]This morning National Public Radio’s morning news ran this story, or one just like it, with a deer running around people’s yards with an arrow through its head and different people expressing opinions. As usual the NPR presentation was intelligent and objective. The HSUS spoke-person was of course against suburban hunting but admitted to a big problem for which her proposed cures clearly are inadequate. A NWF spokesman defended the hunts as not the sole answer but a necessary component of control, but cautioned hunters re the need for extra caution, self-restraint, precision and empathy. In all, hunters came out perhaps looking better than we always deserve. In the big picture this mess is insignificant in comparison to all the bigger impossible situations we continue to create for ourselves and nature by our compulsion to overpopulate our own kind. Nothing will get better until we deal seriously with that, and it seems locked into our genes beyond repair. Such a world![/
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Don’t ask me why but your last lament about our genes…there was a Far Side cartoon of 2 T-Rex trying to pass the potatoes at dinner…one of them said “I’m trying to pass the potatoes”! Seems we just aren’t too well equipped for some things. The “species whos’ brain developed too fast” was another future epitaph I saw somewhere too. Thank God for humor and booze.
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Been thinking about this tha last few days…
First: I did a lot of really dumb things when I was young.
Second: As someone up there said, anything can happen in the woods.
Third: Glad I learned good values as a kid, lots of people didn’t.
Fourth: It may be some idiot just like me trying to figure out how to bowhunt, who made a mistake, like missed… Anyone here who hasn’t missed?
Fifth: Doubt he made any mistake I haven’t made in my life.
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Some help from some DA’s
Oklahomas family Dog Shot with Arrows Left for Dead.
Don’t know if this’ll work for me but above is the story of some cruel person or persons at work.
I like what grumpy had to say also. We try to do it right but “to be human is to err”. An act like the story above is totally pointless and evil. Poor dog.
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I was thinking about this post last night because on the news there was a dog (pitbull) with two arrows stuck in him. He was alive, field tips, and it looked like he too should recover.
Obviously the dog won’t have the same impact on bowhunting as the deer will because he was just targeted out of stupidity rather than a hunting scenario. But still sad to see.
I also have pictures of a redtail hawk with an arrow through it that I was sent. Someone targeted it for ‘fun’. Like the dog it was hit with a field tip. It was patched up and released.
I don’t know if there’s too much point in relating this other than the deer could have been a good shot gone horribly wrong. Whereas these other two critters were just shot for ‘fun’ and not in a legal hunting scenario.
Unfortunately animals with arrows sticking out of them isn’t as uncommon as we might hope.
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The photo and story certainly made an impact. Even our local paper ran it, and it got over a half a page spread. As a rule, if it’s not local, sport or politics, it doesn’t get a mention.
Dan (Australia)
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I agree wholeheartedly that the bow and arrow are poorly suited to suburban hunts intended to reduce nuisance game populations. They tried that on the moose in Anchorage some years back, and the “bowhunt” was a disaster for just the reasons illustrated in this photo. But other than that, what’s the point? Someone made a bad shot and failed to recover the animal. Let all those who have never had this happen to them cast the first stones. Don
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If this is considered hijacking, let me know and I’ll move over to a new post.
“I agree wholeheartedly that the bow and arrow are poorly suited to suburban hunts intended to reduce nuisance game populations. They tried that on the moose in Anchorage some years back, and the “bowhunt” was a disaster for just the reasons illustrated in this photo. But other than that, what’s the point? Someone made a bad shot and failed to recover the animal. Let all those who have never had this happen to them cast the first stones. Don”
Don, what eventually happened with the moose in Anchorage?
I had been under the impression that bowhunting was the ideal tool to reduce deer populations in suburban environments. Mainly because a rifle bullet could go through a house (also the reason you can’t hunt with a rifle in Massachusetts). However, I can see how these kind of situations would go over poorly with the general public.
But, if our state game agency has determined deer are overpopulated and causing harm to the forest, then what options are we left with? Allow the system to continue as is. The game agency can come in a cull enough of the deer to bring them to the desired number. Or we can allow hunters to harvest animals as a tool to lower the population.
I think with enough town hall meetings, public awareness campaigns, etc. the public will hopefully support hunting as a tool instead of culling or letting the deer remain at an unstable, high population. But that would mean an honest look at bowhunting, and the hard truth that animals get injured, and animals die (as in all hunting, and in all natural systems).
Preston
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No hijacking at all, Preston. I’m always glad to hear from you. The Anchorage archery moose hunt, held for all the reasons you mention, also produced images of moose running around with arrows in them, and the hunt was promptly cancelled. All the biological points you make are accurate. The problem is that arrows, in contrast to bullets, leave graphic evidence of what has happened when they don’t do their job. Here in Montana, rifle hunters wound, cripple, and lose many times more game than bowhunters do, but it’s the picture of a deer packing an arrow that makes the papers and leads to cries to eliminate bowhunting. Suburban management hunts are further complicated when rifle hunters with no archery experience see a big buck in their yard, go down and buy a bow, and fire away without the training and experience to get the job done properly. (I think we’ll all agree that IBEF is a great starting point, but a certificate is no substitute for the experience needed to get a job like this done properly.) From a PR point of view, the best approach may simply be to let the deer eat people’s flowers and lawns so they’ll understand that there’s more to this than Bambi. Don
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“From a PR point of view, the best approach may simply be to let the deer eat people’s flowers and lawns so they’ll understand that there’s more to this than Bambi.” Don
Regarding this statement Don, I have a dear (no pun intended) friend that he and his wife moved into a development in the canyons south of Amarillo where mule deer abound. At first they, along with many others in the area, were upset that all they planted was eaten. The development organization had many meetings searching for solutions to the deer population. Controlled hunts were dismissed early on, I think the reasons can be figured out easily, they contacted the big ranches in the area about trapping deer and relocating such. Mule deer are plentiful enough in the panhandle that takers were not found. It is an expensive progress anyway. They even plotted sterilization procedures. After a few years time nothing has changed with the deer, they still eat what they want but the people have mellowed. Maybe not all happy, but not as vocal. As a matter of fact, my buddy sends me some nice pictures of deer doing their deer things. He told me today that one of the old does that’s a “buddy” of his let her young’n suckle her within a couple of feet of him today. “Change” is good in there mindset.
This particular area is roomy and has open ranch land surrounding it so the deer can be mobile, whereas a lot of more urban areas have a more contained environment and I’m sure that complicates the problem more so.
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Nothing at all wrong with that outcome, R2. People accommodated, and when they did, they stopped demanding “control” hunts. The end result is no deer running around town packing arrows, and that works for us. Don
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