More deer killed with crossbow in Wisconsin than with vertical bows…

[critch]

#130074

This article was sent to me today and I found it interesting. Personally, I’m not a fan of crossbows…they should be relegated to rifle season only…I haven’t seen any stats on Missouri but this article is from Wisconsin.

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/outdoors/2018/01/13/hunters-using-crossbows-killed-more-deer-wisconsin-than-crossbow-deer-kill-surpasses-vertical-bow-ki/1016497001/

[Stephen Graf]

#130081

When crossbow companies and the NRA first started trying to get them into bow seasons, they claimed crossbows were just another bow.  Now that crossbows are “in”, the companies are dropping the charade and just selling them for the guns that they are.

This technique is not unique to crossbow companies, it is a tried and true american business tool.  If I lied like this, I’d a been in for a trip to the wood shed…

[Ralph]

#130085

I was going down the little hill into our archery range and saw a person hunkered down like he had a gun on the sight in butts. I say to me “S**t”.

Come to find out he was “benching” a crossbow.It’s the first I’ve come across anywhere and for sure the first at our ARCHERY RANGE.

There are no yays or nays in our bylaws so I guess he was legal.

I visited with him just to see what was up.

The feller told me he was going to Missouri, gonna kill a buck with his crossbow then hunt does with a longbow………….

Ummmm…Then there’s me with my always mind my P’s and Q’s self, had to ask if it was legal to hunt bucks in Missouri with a longbow or did you have to kill one with a crossbow before you could hunt with a longbow.

Pissed him off but tough.#$*@..

I hunt with a rifle also but I ‘hunt’ with a rifle.  I hunt with a trad bow also but I ‘hunt’ with a trad bow.  I don’t “kill” something then go hunting.

I have no use for crossbows during archery season.

I actually got a verbal response from the NRA about the use of crossbows during archery season. They were very blunt in telling me that they supported all hunting and that it was just up to the individual whether they approved of crossbows during archery season or not.

I nearly quit the NRA because of that and if it wasn’t for their support of the 2nd amendment I would have.

 

[Stephen Graf]

#130104

The NRA actively lobbies to get crossbows into bow seasons.  They spent a ton of money in NC and had lobbyists in the legislature every day.  That’s your NRA dues hard at work there Ralph, thanks!

[Ralph]

#130105

But I still have weapons in my home, my vehicle and on my person that are well more suited to protect me and mine than a longbow or recurve can be.

How much money is being spent to take those away from me? We could be at the mercy of a police state to protect us from each other.

There is more to life than longbows, recurves and crossbows.

[Stephen Graf]

#130117

…And that’s why there are crossbows in the archery season, and 345 mass shootings in 2017.  Paranoia will destroy ya Ralph.

[Ralph]

#130118

I can say this ain’t going where it needs to be going for a traditional bowhunting site Steve.

You think the world or country would be more peaceful  without firearms fine. Study history and see how well that has always worked, a populace that can’t defend it’s self. How many died in Germany, Russia, China.

Think of Genghis Khan’s hordes and their massacres.  Guns didn’t have a thing to do with that.

I hate that we have idiots that want to kill the innocents and I’m very sorry for the loss for families and friends but the numbers pale to that of a a defenseless population.

I’m not interested in a political battle, draw lines in the sand.

The guns ain’t killing people, but that seems to be beyond some people’s comprehension. Bows, arrows, spears, crossbows have all done way lots of damage in the past. Matters not the weapon, it’s the human mind that kills.

You’re entitled to your opinion and me mine. Dickering like the press or politicians is not gonna change my view nor yours.

So I’m done, I’m out, chew me out, but I don’t care.

 

I’ve been to North Africa and Europe I’ll tell you I’m glad I have the right to defend myself. Those who don’t want that right or see the need of it need to look around. What’s happening in the world?

[Stephen Graf]

#130127

You are are right, we won’t solve that issue here.  All I am saying is it isn’t a black and white issue, which the NRA and you seem to want to make it.

You suggested I don’t want guns.  Not true, I have many and love to hunt with them.  You also suggested that guns make people safer, also not true, or the USA would be the safest places in the world since we have the most guns.  We aren’t the safest by a long stretch.

Looking at the facts : we have more guns than anyone else and we have more gun deaths than anyone else, I see only two conclusions which can be made:

1- Something is wrong with our gun laws, or

2- We are the most homicidal nation that has ever existed on this earth.

Is there a third possibility?

[Ralph]

#130128

I think more free lunches and other assorted freebies would probably be the answer…………………..not spoken with any sarcasm either………………….:-))

AS for most homicidal, maybe?  The United Nations has at least 10 more countries listed with higher murder rates per capita the the US.

Enough bickering outta me.

I would rather have friends that have differences of opinions with mine as to make enemies because we differ.

 

[Stephen Graf]

#130131

I totally agree with you on the last point.  We can disagree without being disagreeable.  It is a challenge to be sure, but it’s the only way to make progress.  I don’t think you are bickering.

As for progress, I think the nations the UN is talking about are countries like Nicaragua, Syria, Yemen, etc.  Nations that are desperately poor and dysfunctional.  So there are more homicidal countries out there than we are, but using such countries as a measure of what is acceptable is, in my opinion, a pretty low bar to set.

I’d like to see us compare ourselves to the other richer  “western” countries of the world.  When we do that we find, by comparison, we are killing each other way too much.  There is a LOT of room for compromise between the one extreme of taking all guns away, and the other extreme of allowing people with bump stock machine guns to kill or maim 600 people in a 15 minute spree.

I’d like to see a discussion about how we balance our constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness vs. our 2nd amendment rights to bare arms.  I don’t think the founding fathers ever envisioned guns like we have now, or that we would turn such guns on each other like we do.

Surely, such a thing falls within the confines of a rousing discussion among toxophiles?  I’m sure mom’s got her delete button all warmed up…

[Robin Conrads]

#130132

I chalked it up to cabin fever. I’d be happy if the gun portion of this thread would end here. I really appreciate that you were able to disagree as gentlemen and state your points clearly.

Future comments on this thread should refer to the original topic.

Thanks, Mom

[Ralph]

#130133

I don’t think the 1st amendment’s freedom of speech was envisioned to become quite what it has become either.

One thing about the freedom of speech, I can say what I say, true/false/good/bad/one sided/

whatever…..someone on the internet will believe me.

Ahhh, regulations. They’ve always worked well to excite the ingenuity of mankind to find ways around them, even eons ago ( I ain’t gonna say a thing about an apple)………Prohibition (before my time :-)) ……) brought more drinking and more crime. Regulating drugs has been really effective, more drug use and more crime. More regulations on guns, I’m sure that’ll work just like the others.

Perhaps if we could come up with regulations against good the reverse psychology effect of regulations might still hold true?

Back on subject.

When it comes to choices of weapons that are to be used for hunting, as long as they are ethical, legal and make hunting a one on one deal between hunter and hunted, every hunter ought to be able to use his choice of weapon.  The time period for it to be used in fairness to and the safety of other hunters using different types of weapon is debatable.

I have my opinion that a crossbow should not be allowed during archery season. It has a trigger and a sight.

But then again, I had the same thoughts during a period of my life about sighted compound bows shot with a mechanical release. Not really a whole lot of difference there other than horizontal and vertical, it also has a trigger and a sight.

Heck, there was a time when it was common to see traditional bows with sights. Many bows were factory drilled and tapped for them. There was local funk about that (probably would have been more than local flack but believe it or not some of y’all, there hasn’t always been social media) as there was/is funk about shooting Mediterranean style or shooting 3 under nowadays.

Controversy is created over the dumbest s**t.

If a certain group supports and idea or method and they win out, those opposing side cannot blame them for the win. The losers need to figure out why they lost.

Our country could use a dose of that right now.

 

[Ralph]

#130134

Sorry mom… You slicked your email in whilst I was typing my response but fortunately I was attempting to get things back on track.

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