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So here is my dilema. I just did my first Trad hunt here on the Laguna Atascosa Refuge in Deep South Texas. I enjoyed every minute of 7 days of still hunting and stalking. It really opened my eyes. To say the least, it is spiritual. I had 2 shots and blew them both. (Is it ok to hunt out of a Tripod if I’m hunting with traditional gear.) Hunting where we hunt is no easy task. We have no real trees other than Mesquite, Huisache and Texas Ebony. Just real big Bushes I guess. Hunting here on the refuge is not at all like what you may see on hunting shows. What’s your opinion? Should I stay on the ground or run with the crowd and buy a tripod? What would you do?
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I’m sure your choice of stands for your situation in so. Texas is alright in the eyes of the traditional community. Do what’s best for you, Leo. Personally, I prefer hunting on the ground, which I feel is a pretty exciting way to go. I mean, trad guys hunt from tree stands all the time, so I don’t see why hunting from a tripod would be any different. IMHO Wayne
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i like to be on the ground hunting because i can move to where ever i think i may see the animals i am hunting. i build simple natural blinds when needed.i do carry a bucket to set on.i use the wind and sun and i see game if they are in the area.if not i move and setup elsewhere just my 2 cents worth
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their really ARENT any trad police 😉
the “traditional way” is to hunt YOUR way in a way that brings YOU pleasure and puts meat on the table and to not give a single care to what others may think in their own shallow minds.
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According to who’s ‘tradition?’ Bowhunting has many traditions.
The idea that there is one “trad way” that we should all be conforming to makes me bristle.
While others can weigh in with what they might, or might not do, these are questions you can only answer on your own path.
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I had a blast hunting from the ground. I did notice while backed up against a tree. These deer were actually scanning beneath the tree limbs and just above the saltgrass. As if they were looking for leg movement. But I have to admit that it does look
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I’ve got a feeling that the first native who took game from the tree limbs was not run out of the village on a rail but instead hailed as a great hunter and provider of the tribe. I think hunting from a tripod is just using human ingenuity which I beleive is a tradition in its own right or else we would be still living in caves.
Is it Traditional to drive a 2011 model pickup truck to the jumping off point or a ’49 stepside with no heat in it and straight axles?
I’m just saying 😀
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I can’t see where a tripod is any less traditional than carbon/aluminum arrows, glass laminated bows, synthetic strings, driving your truck to the hunting grounds, or any number of other things we use in modern times. It’s mans nature to improve his methods of food gathering. Granted today, most people don’t totally survive on game they’ve “collected”. We eat our deer and share it with less fortunate families than ours but we also enjoy beef, hogs and other less “traditional” foods. So like it was said earlier, it’s your call, use your stick and string and have fun.
I agree with Duncan’s philosophy.
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Lots of great comments and input above and agree myself.
Too often labels are put upon parts of our lives, often by ourselves and that is how it should be. Otherwise, IMHO,many decisions are a “habit” of others from TOO MUCH input from them and their own decisions, choices and opinions.
The hardest thing I have attempted to teach my sons, and others that have came to me for “advice” is……it is YOUR life and you “answer” to no one other than those that you also choose to care about and their opinions.
Your traditional way may not be viewed by others as such but……no offense but WHO CARES? 😀
Life is all too short to limit one’s own activities by anything other than that that gives that particular person the end result that person is seeking.
Be it from a stand or the ground, carbon or wood, wool or space age material, if that person gains in the moment of use (and how can we not?) a sense of accomplishment or other goal reached, it is a success!
As a “new traddie” I promise you will find yourself putting “new” limitations upon yourself (and no one else has the right to impliment any of their own) that will become part of your traditional life and WILL allow you to grow as you wish to grow, at your pace, and towards the pinacle within your traditional life you seek.
The trip to what we desire is the true trophy with icing on the cake game taken your way. While other’s opinions are excellent to consider, I only ask that you choose your own way when the final decisions are made.
As in all aspects of life, traditional bowhunting or not, opinions are only that, “personal” opinions that when answered, are opinions as that person applys the thought to THEMSELVES.
Hunt. There is a path you will follow….or you will blaze a new one before another who follows.
Limitations of opinions of how it is done is your own.
Personally, stand or no stand, carbon or not…….you are a family of the trad fraternity and welcome here..but maybe you are just taking a few different “classes” to get your diploma.
God Bless
Finally we have snow…..now to get off work a few days. 😆
Steve Sr.
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Here in SW Colorado, Indian country, there is a place on public land called by those who know about it “the Scaffold Lick.” It is a natural mineral lick, very attractive to elk and deer. Very little cover nearby to stalk or hide in. And the trees there are few, small, and bushy, pinon pine. Until recently you could still see remains of “lumber” the Southern Utes had fastened between trees in order to fashion a scaffolding to sit on in ambush just above the lick. No telling how far back that tradition went. What gives tripod stands a deserved bad name today is their close association with bait feeders. Fair chase and tradition aside, I can’t imagine wanting to kill anything badly enough to pay for, haul in and set up a tripod. Or a dozen tree stands for that matter, as is so common today. But that’s not a matter or tradition, but only personal choice.
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Here is South Western PA we have the Meadowcroft Rockshelter http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/secondary.aspx?id=212
which The Heinz History Center manages. A 1570’s Native American village has been recreated as an additional attraction to the remote location. (Radio carbon dating of man-made materials indicates that humans were using the overhang beginning around 15,000 BC.)
A very thorough attempt has been made to recreate daily life in an Iroquois village. Hunting tools and practices are covered. One aspect that was very interesting were the 10′ high four-legged platforms that were constructed around the perimeter of the “Three sisters” gardens (corn, beans, and squash.) The boys hunted from these stands in order to keep the animal thieves and marauders at bay!
Is this an example of necessity being the mother of invention or just 1570’s style “baiting” and “hunting?”
Mudd Foot
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I hunted from a “tripod” stool this morning. The only difference is that the legs are only about 16 inches tall so I don’t have to climb in to it.
Just an observation: when I tell non-hunters that hunt with a bow they don’t usually ask me if I use a “trad” bow or some other kind of bow. Makes me wonder who is “labeling” who.
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Mudd Foot wrote:
Is this an example of necessity being the mother of invention or just 1570’s style “baiting” and “hunting?”
Yes.
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Mudd — While we’re getting radically off-topic here, sometimes it’s fun and I’ve always been keenly interested in Meadowcroft, though I’ve never seen it and never likely will. Thing is, until very recently and still in some circles, archaeologists etc. told us that the first humans arrived in N.A. only 12-14,000 years ago, crossing the Berengian connection between AK and Siberia. Or vice versa rather. Now I ask, how did those folks move fast enough to have gotten all the way from AK to PA at least 2,000 years before they first got here? In other words, the scientific dating of the Meadowcroft site has turned early N.A. history on it’s ear and forced complacent academics to take another look. There are similar sites clear down in S. America that are as old or older. Clearly, there was more than one human migration here, and probably from more than one origin. This stuff fascinates me, whether they used tripods to hunt mammoths from or not. 😆
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Since the topic is wandering…
There sure seems to be more and more coming to light to indicate that pre-historic peoples were far more mobile, across far greater distances, than we used to give them credit for.
As just one example, look at how Cook and his crew struggled to explain their first encounters with the Polynesians – people who they expected to be far less advanced, and could barely even consider “human.” Instead, they found sophisticated seafarers who were sailing circles around Cook’s boats, in craft that could move 3 times as fast. And then look at how much we’ve learned about their impressive open ocean navigation skills across the whole of Polynesia, without compass or a concept of lat/long. And when you study what they were capable of 500 years ago, and what they had likely been doing for a long, long time before that, it isn’t too hard to believe they were occasionally bumping into the Americas. And then there are the startling artistic similarities between cultures like the Maori and the Haida, the Norse seafaring cultures…
Sometimes I still think that our perceptions of the abilities of pre-historic people are still stuck in the same prejudiced way of thinking that created such a cognitive dissonance in the early explorers.
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Dave, I completely agree that this ancient americas stuff is fascinating. It was very eye opening during our visit this past summer. The amazing thing is that the dating of the site has created a load of controversy (heresy?) despite the testing methodology of the evidence is irrefutable.
Had to practically drag the wife and kids as the site is about an hour from the Pittsburgh suburbs… after throwing the atlatl at a target elk, the kids didn’t want to leave!
Perhaps the PA Elk herd that has seen a resurgence in recent years needs your review, and Meadowcroft could be a stop along the way? 😀
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Well then, maybe we’re not so far off topic after all. Makes good sense that “throwback” folks like us, who find deep satisfaction in pursuing an “antique and inefficient” means of hunting, should also be deeply interested in other aspects of pre-history–before writing and civilization [that is, living in cities]. We have the best of both worlds … I hope!:P
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David Petersen wrote: … forced complacent academics to take another look. There are similar sites clear down in S. America that are as old or older. Clearly, there was more than one human migration here, and probably from more than one origin. This stuff fascinates me, whether they used tripods to hunt mammoths from or not. 😆
I don’t know about “academics” but I feel like science needs defending here… The great thing about science and scientists, and the thing that also causes the most confusion about scientific progress is that results are published as they are made. There is no statement of ” well folks, this is it. This is the final answer” There is no final answer. There is only the pursuit of better understanding.
Problem is that doesn’t sell. So the media likes to take every “breakthrough” and proclaim it as the final answer to whatever the topic is…
I salute archeologists for continuing to dig into the past with new technology and more sensitive instruments. I watched a documentary a while back where they described not only “human” exoduses from Africa, but 7 migrations from pre homo sapiens species. Most of which spread to the farthest extents of the earth.
Mans wanderlust has been a part of us from the start. Is it any wonder we are still compelled to pick up the bow and go?
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In response to the original question:wink:, in my opinion hunting in a “traditional” manner means using equipment you, as an individual, consider “tradtional”. Whether that’s a recurve, longbow, or selfbow. Wood arrows, alluminum, both were around before my time. So either one of them is “traditional” to me.
I still cook a turkey for Thanksgiving because it’s tradition. But I do it in a roasting oven. Times change and I think you hold onto what reminds you of the past in order to keep tradition.
Similiar to the firehouse (my chosen career). We use big fancy motor driven engines now. They’re more efficient than horses. But we still work the same schedule and serve the public like those before me did.
Just my observation, hunt from a tripod if you feel comfortable with it.
-Jeremy
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Shrimp,
I think we have come to the conclusion that its OK to hunt from a tripod stand since hunting from above has been around alot longer than we have.
There are some scrub pocosins in Eastern NC that I used to hunt where I always wanted a tripod. There were dozens of fire lanes cut through that stuff with deer trails crossing. We were more or less relegated to stalking the fire lanes. Needless to say I always got busted before I could get a shot. The trees were to scrubby and small to climb but a tripod next to one of those scrub trees would have been the ticket.
These scrub places can be loaded with deer and no one likes to hunt them for the obvious reasons. I’d go for it Shrimp!
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Duncan wrote: Shrimp,
The trees were to scrubby and small to climb but a tripod next to one of those scrub trees would have been the ticket.
These scrub places can be loaded with deer and no one likes to hunt them for the obvious reasons. I’d go for it Shrimp!
I will. Thanks for all the incite and advice.
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