ignoring facts

[Konrad]

#6417

It truely surprises me how, when faced with the facts contained within Dr. Ashby’s reports, many…most archers on the “moderen forum” sites are willing to ignore and even deride the work without reading it in its’ completion.

[Steve Sr.]

#51173

Until very recently (IMHO) that wasn’t limited to the “modern forums”. Others on other trad sites have done the same but I have noticed more wide spread and involved responses to related discussions lately. I even noticed posts from some that just last year were heatedly berating the Report facts.

Short and Sweet:arrow:…….on the modern archery sites? They will never accept it. It doesn’t help them shoot further…so they can shoot more often. It doesn’t make killing a “scoring buck” EASIER for them.

In fact, just the MENTION of a “heavier arrow” turns off most of their hearing capabilities. Believe me, I have tried.

Last but not least. They can’t go in a store and just buy a set up nor have seen it on a TV commerical.:wink:

No one reading should take my post as a “anti modern equipment” post. I know some shooting such that I have high regard for. What you can label my post as is an “anti idiot attitude” post.

The same attitude is the one that chants “anything easier, faster, makes a bigger hole or reduces the game animals chances or gives me a chance at a bigger set of antlers I will buy, regardless of cost“.

You can see all of the above advertised en mass on any hunting programs from equipment right down to hunting a place that “grows antlers”.

Moderators don’t need it, but have my permission to delete this post if it is “too negative”.

Forgive me if anyone finds this offensive but take heart. MANY are picking up on the facts, reading the stories and are indeed, giving it a shot or two. Tis good news I feel. 😀

Our joined involvement in posting success stories and arrow combinations using Dr. Ashby’s information cannot do anything but increase the number of those that finally read it all, ask questions, learn and join in here.

I will go as far as to predict that withing 2 short years, the number of traditonal hunters shooting arrows and heads of the Ashby Report suggestions will be 10 times what they are now…if not more.

and maybe even a few more (yes there ARE some) compound shooters.

God Bless.
Steve Sr.

[Rogue]

#51387

I have friends also who don’t wish to be confused by facts.

I spent a few years where I hung up the stick bow and got into the wheels thinking it was more effective. Durring that time I was chastized for shooting “telephone poles” as my buddies called them. I never understood the idea that a flatter trajectory was any benefit with a set of wheels for the sake that the sites make it much easier to compensate for arrow drop.

I will agree that just about any arrow broadhead combination placed properly will kill any deer on the earth, I am not enough of an optimist to think that every arrow released will hit the exact mark and not encounter any obsticle.

I have not found the perfect combination for my setup yet but I am still playing at it.

Thank you Dr. Ashby for the unbiased opinions that you share. When can we see all the Ashby Reports published in book form?

Bill

[rayborbon]

#52758

I have read large segments of the reports and believe there is a lot of merit in the findings. At the same time I also believe that shooting game which is deer sized you can have a lot of success without worrying about bone penetration and without EFOC, percentages, and that the primitive basics of archery are fundamentally capable as they have been proven time and time again. If I am approaching larger game such as elk or big bears I might consider using a different arrow and broadhead setup than I would for deer for example.

A lot of people may not be receptive to repurchasing all new sets of arrows and bows in response to the reports. Mostly because what they have now will work for most of their situations.

[Patrick]

#52818

Pouring through the research is right up my alley…I love it! Dr Ashby’s research is amazing, and I think it’s a fool who derides his research. I’ve EASILY talked hundreds (maybe thousands :shock:) of hunters over the years, who have shot a couple deer and think they know it all. “XYX broadhead almost cut the deer in half, so it’s the best broadhead!”. “ABC broadhead didn’t leave a blood trail so it sucks!”, and so on. Dr Ashby actually did his tests the right way…the good ole’ scientific method. What an incredible resource!

With that said, I can completely understand why some would ignore the research. Some people just want their bow, string, arrows, and broadheads, and don’t want to get caught up in changing bows, arrows, broadheads, etc. They have what they know has worked over the years for them, and they are confident in the equipment, which is IMMENSELY important. I have a lot of respect for those hunters as well.

[MontanaFord]

#53056

For me, I’ll do some of my own experimenting with arrow set-ups and broadheads. I don’t know what I’ll eventually and finally settle on. I just know that I will settle on something that I believe to be the best that I can affordably and accurately shoot. For those of you that wish to delve deep into Dr. Ashby’s methodologies, by all means, do so. For those of you that don’t, then by all means. Good hunting.

Michael

[Konrad]

#54199

Rogue wrote: I have friends also who don’t wish to be confused by facts.

I spent a few years where I hung up the stick bow and got into the wheels thinking it was more effective. Durring that time I was chastized for shooting “telephone poles” as my buddies called them. I never understood the idea that a flatter trajectory was any benefit with a set of wheels for the sake that the sites make it much easier to compensate for arrow drop.

I will agree that just about any arrow broadhead combination placed properly will kill any deer on the earth, I am not enough of an optimist to think that every arrow released will hit the exact mark and not encounter any obsticle.

I have not found the perfect combination for my setup yet but I am still playing at it.

Thank you Dr. Ashby for the unbiased opinions that you share. When can we see all the Ashby Reports published in book form?

Bill

Just a note: I actually use a 60 pound “modern” compound bow (Bear Truth) with sights, stabilizer and release. My goal is to use the best technology and data from any source to maximize my successful hunt. My luck dictates bone(s) in the way. Grizzlystix and a “test point pack” are in my future. Single bevels will be next.

I just don’t have the steam to accuratly draw my 55 pound Kodiak Magnum and enjoy the experience any more.

PS I have also found there is no such thing as “too much gun” in the field.

[DAbersold]

#14435

Hello – This is my first post on this forum, and I was happy to see a whole section on Dr. Ashby’s findings. (Dr. Ashby, thank you for your information and testing. I know you read this section)I read a few of his reports a long time ago, but at the time the Ashby broadhead was the only single bevel broadhead out there. The price alone was enough to turn me off to the subject. $30 a head is totally absurd! Now that there are other makes out there that are a bit more realistic, it will be interesting to read more on the subject. As of now, I shoot a #48lb recurve, about 10gr/per/lb of draw with about 200grs up front. I like the idea of EFOC, but no broadhead is worth $30.

[sapcut]

#14446

Dabersold,
“I read a few of his reports a long time ago, but at the time the Ashby broadhead was the only single bevel broadhead out there.”

The Grizzly has been out forever…and still is.. even better.
That is what Dr. Ed says is the best. They are about $5 a piece.

[DAbersold]

#14506

I Stand corrected. I’m not sure where I got my information mixed up, but for some reason I thought the Grizzly WAS the Ashby. Thanks. I’ll be trying some of the Grizzly heads soon.

[sapcut]

#14514

In the research he actually used what he called a modified Grizzly where he changed the stock Grizzly to have a slightly better mechanical advantage.
Then Alaska Bowhunting Supply decided to create the Ashby broadhead that is as close as possible to what Dr. Ashby suggests, if I am not mistaken. Hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong.
I am looking forward to getting the new Grizzlys that are 200 gr. glue on with a better edge angle.

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