I want to scream

[jmsmithy]

#2724

On a rare day off I get to spend some time in my man cave, tying a few flies etc etc. I click on the “Sport…Channel” to watch some guy take a young girl, maybe 13-15 on first elk hunt. They “stalk” the bull, he lets her shoot and after search they can’t find it. He goes on to explain it happens. What he didn’t explain was the mid paunch hit, the 50 yard or so shot and the completely destroyed mechanical abomination on the end of the arrow. The father in me was screaming for this poor kid. I know it certainly happens but I truly believe with proper guidance and equipment the outcome could’ve been different…starting with ” honey, we need to get closer…”

AAARRRGGHHHH!!!!! :twisted::twisted:

[Doc Nock]

#12250

I feel your pain… one reason I no longer have TV access in my house…that and 4.5 minutes of show followed repeatedly by 4 min of commercials…nah!

Alas, one t hing I’ve done is get a running ton of videos… what I find is that the shots that are 25 or 30 reported (?) yards on video look to be about 60 yards!

Cameras make things seem much farther away. Did they SAY it was 50 yards or did you assess that from the viewing?

Either way, a bad hit can happen to anyone, practiced veteran or newbie with bull fever… but you’re correct that nothing will sour a kid worse than not having the basics down pat before venturing forth…

Regardless, commercial TV “hunting” has seemingly (IMO) done more to feed anti sentiments than all the propaganda combined

[Clay Hayes]

#12339

I think we’ve gone through the worst of the TV hunting shows. I don’t have cable or satellite so I’m not up to speed on the current shows but, from what I do know, things seem to be getting better. At least relative to the infomercials that were being aired in the late 90s and early 2000s.

A note on cameras and lenses. Depending on your choice of lens, a videographer/photographer can make either exaggerate or compress the perceived distance between two objects in the frame, such as a hunter and animal. The result of the same scene shot with a wide lens vs a long lens can be quite dramatic. long lenses compress the scene while wide lenses do the opposite. Gopro footage is a good example of a wide angle lens. That’s why so many shots on gopro looks like it’s way to far to be shooting when in reality it might not be but 20 yards or so.

Off to Chico now for the Trad Bowhunters of MT banquet…

[Mark Turton]

#12643

Problem is, from my perspective, that we know nothing about the child that was taking the shot beyond what JM has described. She may be a very accomplished archer having accompanied family and friends hunting for a few years,or she may be a novice archer and dads decided he’s going to take his little angle hunting.

Poor hit, mechanical head mashed (but then I wouldn’t rely on those things to bust a balloon) did they attempt to follow it up? did the father take responsibility, what lessons did they learn.

A kid of that age has may be 50 years hunting ahead of her, kids need ethical ground rules if they are going to grow into the responsible hunters of tomorrow.

Clay, have a great weekend.

[jmsmithy]

#12776

The guy taking the young lady out (not sure if was her father as it wasn’t addressed – at least I didn’t hear it) did mention her new hunter status and that it was her first big game hunt. She was approx 14-15 years old so her experience was very limited at best… The narrator also mentioned that, in western elk hunting, 40-50 yard shots are the norm. I’m a bit familiar w/ how camera lense types, shot setups etc affect the distance shots appear in these shows but,. Based on the young lady’s shot, amount of large pine between her and the animal (plus it appeared to be in some type of depression) and the narrator’s comment about the “norm” distance of elk shots, I’m pretty sure the shot was way longer than this poor kid was comfortable with.

[Ptaylor]

#12952

jmsmithy wrote: The narrator also mentioned that, in western elk hunting, 40-50 yard shots are the norm.

It’s too bad the majority thinks like this. I passed on a shot at an elk this fall at 30 yards, broadside and feeding, but that is almost 3x as far as I can shoot.

Imagine if everyone in archery shops were saying things like, “Most shots are less than 20 yards” That would change how people hunt.

[William Warren]

#13484

Imagine if everyone in archery shops were saying things like, “Most shots are less than 20 yards” That would change how people hunt.

They could not move merchandise with that line and there would be less bowhunters in the woods.

Unfortunately the dollar is higher priority than ethics these days. They pitch 50 yard kill shots and it sells bows putting more hunters in the woods only to find out that 50 yards is beyond most archers abilities.

Even with a compound, to hit anything, much less a living animal at that range consistently takes dedicated practice.

[grumpy]

#13886

If you could kill a critter at 50 yards, there would be 2 deer in my freezer. Since I know my own limitations no arrow was shot. I can’t believe people can practice at 30 feet and think they can hit something at 50 yards.

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