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Im not agianst tree stands, or game cameras, until we pervert their use. This being a good case of that! Remember this is on public land and over a spring that I have been hunting for over 25 years. Its not the blind or the camera, but rather the attitude that drives someone to pack the lumber 3 miles and to work so hard to put it up.
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wow. wth?
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Must be an ATV trail nearby. That’s not a tree stand; it’s an elevated dance floor. This is a REAL problem insofar as there are no laws against it, yet it’s patently unfair and rude. Down in AZ where I hunt Coues on public land, the name of the game is ambushing water, of which there is very little. Last year when I got to my favorite water hole, where I’ve always sat in a simply brush blind that’s basically just a few limbs arranged to enhance natural brush and trees, there was a tree stand right out in plain site. After noticing for days that more deer than usual were coming in, and that they were using a different route than in previous years, I investigated and found a big pile of alfalfa. I was shocked to learn baiting deer is legal in AZ! As a hunting buddy noted, while we are free to continue hunting this place, anything we kill there can be considered to have baited in now, which taints is. Thus, this prime spot has been stolen from all ethical hunters who don’t choose to hunt a baited site. Not to mention the treestand placement dominates and makes useless my little brush blind. If this problem spreads to my only other location, AZ will lose my $350 annual tag fees and I will lose what has recently become a favorite hunt. Legal does not make a think right. Dave
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thankfully, permanent stands arent allowed in Indiana. on public ground.
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Sickening…just sickening…:evil:
Dave,
the story you tell of the AZ waterhole has been played so many times over here in NJ. I no longer hunt w a shotgun in my state, only bow or maybe mz as there are statistically a boatload LESS bow/mz hunters. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve walked in to a stand I’d take time etc to place month before season only to have some idiot either set up within 50 yards or sitting in the stand!!
I believe in the concept of Hunter’s Ed for kids but it should include a basic IQ test with repeat testing mandatory for every dipstick who carries a hammer and nails into the woods…I always believed portable stands did least damage, as opposed to the Taj Ma-Hell in Nate’s picture. 🙄
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YIKES! sad very very sad
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MCuiksa wrote: Actually Nate, that’s my summer home and my wife put the camera there to keep an eye on me….. 😳
Ha, that is one of my favorite places on this earth.
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Wow Nate – that is really nuts. No Nate, I’d say it is about the stand. Very Rude!! Talk about a killer condo, what state is this in? Here in WI, that would be very illegal on public ground.
Say, can you get a timber/firewood gathering permit? I am pretty sure which tree I’d pick. Timmmmbbeerrrrr!!! 😈 Hot spot returned to status quo. Or at least leave him a stump to sit on. LOL
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I’d tear it down! Weather it’s legal or not doesn’t matter, it is affecting you and the way you choose to use your public lands.
Everyone has the right to use public lands in their own way as long as it is legal and it doesn’t affect other people using there public lands. If I parked at a trail head and there was garbage all over I’d pick it up and haul it out, that looks like garbage in a tree. I’d tear it down and haul it out just the same.
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come on nate..its a birthday surprise from the wife..SURPRISE..tree stand and camera…LOL…on a really note that is a bummer..when the stand gets old they will leave there trash there too.you can only PRAY that some else might pull it down…john
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MCuiksa wrote: I meant no disrespect….it was as much a comment about the size of the thing being a house as anything….sorry. Mike.
No problem, I know what you meant!
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blacktail wrote: oooh i forgot to tell you that your artical was great..and you did alot of work on it..thanks for sharing…john
Thanks John
I would like to write one about harvesting, a big Bull or Cow:lol:You live close to the canyon that I found that stand in, Ill send you a saw and a map.
It would be good to hunt with you agian!
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David Petersen wrote: Must be an ATV trail nearby. That’s not a tree stand; it’s an elevated dance floor. This is a REAL problem insofar as there are no laws against it, yet it’s patently unfair and rude. Down in AZ where I hunt Coues on public land, the name of the game is ambushing water, of which there is very little. Last year when I got to my favorite water hole, where I’ve always sat in a simply brush blind that’s basically just a few limbs arranged to enhance natural brush and trees, there was a tree stand right out in plain site. After noticing for days that more deer than usual were coming in, and that they were using a different route than in previous years, I investigated and found a big pile of alfalfa. I was shocked to learn baiting deer is legal in AZ! As a hunting buddy noted, while we are free to continue hunting this place, anything we kill there can be considered to have baited in now, which taints is. Thus, this prime spot has been stolen from all ethical hunters who don’t choose to hunt a baited site. Not to mention the treestand placement dominates and makes useless my little brush blind. If this problem spreads to my only other location, AZ will lose my $350 annual tag fees and I will lose what has recently become a favorite hunt. Legal does not make a think right. Dave
Dave
Most of Eastern Oregon is accessible by atv as there are huge plains that top off every canyon. I saw a guy drive his chevy right into a elk bedding spot and set up his tree stand not 50 yards from it. We had been on the elk for three days strait until then. We camp in the lower ground then ride our street legle bikes to a improved road about three miles from the head of the canyon(gas prices these days), then walk the rest of the way as not to spook the herd. it worked great until this bozo pulled his little stunt. If you want to see what kind of ground im talking about check out this months TBM, as I have a picture of the top of the mentioned canyon in it. Best Place On Earth! -
In NC the warden will tear those down, but not until they have caught the builder hunting in it. 😀
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what is it with me I just keep finding them! this one is in a wilderness area and about 4 miles in!
here is some of what they packed in. what you don’t see is the 30 lbs of nails!
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I’m glad that type of thing is illegal on both IL and WI state lands.
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Geez Nate…would it help calling wardens etc???
Problem we have in ADK’s with calling DEC or the game wardens is that the Great State of NY, in it’s infinite wisdom of leadership through financial ignorance (maybe Cuomo will be better, jury still out) has repeatedly raped accounts dedicated to wild life and wild places (unfortunately a National epidemic so it appears). Because of this, DEC officers / game wardens working for years with no contracts/raises etc get nothing compared to state and muni law enforcement (who btw are also getting hosed from what I understand) and are being downsized through attrition. I understand now there are less than 10 DEC officers for the entire 6 MIILION acre park!. I’ve come to know one or two (coming from NJ, when we first bought up there my No. 1 concern was tresspassers) and it is unbelievvbale how short staffed and hamstrung they are. I’ve actually been told not to bother calling them on trespassers or road hunters as, unless I have pix, they could never get to me in time to do anything about it. The area is rural so only other law enforcement are State Troopers, who, when my alarm went off few years ago took 1.5 hours to get there as they didn’t know where it was!!!!:roll:
Lucky for me a close friend and neighbor is a federal officer :D:lol:
Scary state of affairs to say the least…try and get the SOB somehow!!:twisted:
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I thought it was illegal to have any kind of permanent structure on national forest lands:?::?:
Crap like this is the reason I refuse to hunt amymore from a truck camp. If it’s accessible by truck or ATV then it’s going to be ruined by some jackass…..one reason I gave up rifle hunting many years ago. Now the same element is creeping into the archery ranks.
Brett
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Nate, I really enjoyed your article…. Sorry, about your luck with the slob hunters. I’d report these stands, if I were you. I only hope I am able to get out west and hunt elk someday.
Wayne
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Strait-Aero wrote: Nate, I really enjoyed your article…. Sorry, about your luck with the slob hunters. I’d report these stands, if I were you. I only hope I am able to get out west and hunt elk someday.
Wayne
thanks Wayne, if you get out this way let me know Ill give you a hand.
we missed a huge bull monday right by the second treestand i posted a picture of. got a fellow along with me this year that has never bow hunted elk before, he tried to draw on a elk that was looking his way. I was whispering, not yet, not yet, but he never heard me! oh well that’s hunting!
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i dont know what is up with u but you are sure running into stuff..it reminds me of one of my hunting areas i hunted for MANY years…up by MT BAILEY…the place has alot of tree stands and salt licks and the licks are not from ranchers or cattle people…john
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Sorry to hear about the bad luck on the hunting spot. Depending on the location of the stand I would recommend contacting the local forest service office. Permenant damage to a tree is a ticketable offense. A friend of mine got a ticket for nailing a tarp to a tree that was being used as a rain shelter. Those appeared to be permnenant to from the pictures. Best of luck. Erik
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Unfortunately here in Minnesota our legislators have made them selves the experts on Natural resource issues and in there infinite wisdom decided we did not need a law restricting the heights on permanent tree stands. It used to be 16 feet. They are legal here on state lands. They are considered to be public property so anyone can use no matter who built it. That always works well opening morning with guys and guns. I am just curious if I will see the first 40 footer this season or next.
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Here in the Southwest {AZ/NM} I see more and more tree stands and Cameras chained to trees in the Public lands. Each region seems to have a different attitude [ enforcement of regs]towards it. I have RARELY seen a uniformed member of the Forest Service off the main roads [ I spend a lot of time in the field]
However, every “Tank” / water hole / developed spring* that is known on GPS [ other than wilderness – maybe]has at least 2 and sometimes 3 brushblinds that have been there for many years. You can always tell which ones are in current use by fresh cut saplings etc [ technically illegal] This is usually heaviest wherever the Outfitted Elk Hunting is going on. The Competition here among the Guides is HEAVY — there have been fights over the waterholes!
* 10 yrs ago I would have said “accessible by a major forest road” — now the ATVs have gone almost everywhere they physically can [ enforcement!?!] these A——s drive there machines around the edge to check for sign!!!
I realize that the monies for the Feds to keep the vigil is drying up — I guess we best step in–
ScoutPS – there are still places – in odd out of the way spots- if you “Hump your Ruck” deep enuff, you can get away from these “People” — although it is becoming much more difficult
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Rogue wrote: What? no spiral staircase? Too bad that wasnt built a little farther south I am pretty sure that this county would require a permit for any structure that size.lol
You got that right, Jackson County has to have their share!
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