Heavy Judo points

[Steertalker]

#5942

Was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a heavy stump shooting point. I have always used judos in the past but I am shooting fairly heavy weight bows now with heavy arrows and to keep my practice or stump shooting arrows the same as my hunting and target arrow I need a good heavy judo type point. Since the heaviest judos available are only 135 grs they really don’t work for me anymore. I need a total point weight of around 315 grs. Any suggestions???

Brett

[Patrick]

#46104

If you’re not using wood arrows, you can buy the glue-in judos or condors and glue them to the 125 grain screw-in adapters. The condors are heavier and would get you closer to your target weight. That would get you to 270 grains. My broadheads and field points are 315 grains, and I use the 270 grain combo, and it works for me at the distances I shoot.

[David Petersen]

#46170

For wood arrows the WoodyWeights might do the trick, depending on how hard your “stumps” are and at what angle they impact. I testing I’ve intentionally shots WWs into thick-barked ponderosa pine from an angle and had the WW’s break from the points at the glue joint, and also had the shaft break behind the head/WW at a higher percentage than without WWs. But then, I’ve also had some of them hold together fine. Worth a try. Cleaning out the male and female contact points with acetone is critically important before gluing. Without checking I’m think you can now by some fairly heavy HexPoints, which are my pref for stumping and small game over Judos, and a lot cheaper. dp

[Steertalker]

#46189

I hear ya Patrick but I shoot 72 to 82 lb bows and need something heavy to shoot out of them. I’m also pretty anal about my equipment and am a firm believer of practicing like I hunt. My elk hunting arrows are approximately 812 grs and so the 270 gr (135+125+glue) judo setup is too light for me. My BH and FP combinations are 315 grs. I also need somethng with prongs on it like a judo to stop it from burying up the tall meadow grasses up in Colorado where I elk hunt.

BTW…I shoot carbons.

Brett

[Patrick]

#46221

The Condor has prongs, and they’re wider than those on the Judo. The glue-on version is 145 grains. I know, still to light for ya, so…

You could do this:

175 grain Ace Hex Heads
125 grain Steel screw-in adapter
20 grain Zwickey Scorpio Broadhead Stopper

That’ll get you to 320 grains.

[Chris Shelton]

#46230

you said you shoot carbons, 100 grain brass inserts with a 50 grain weight behind, 125 grain judo???? Thats 275 . . . pretty close????

[Patrick]

#46250

Chris Shelton wrote: you said you shoot carbons, 100 grain brass inserts with a 50 grain weight behind, 125 grain judo???? Thats 275 . . . pretty close????

No, because the 315 grains doesn’t include the insert. If I may speak for Brett. :oops::lol:

[Steertalker]

#46263

Actually Patrick….the 315 grs I’m talking about does include the insert. I shoot 200 gr Grizzly El Grandes with 125 gr steel inserts glued in. By the time I get them sharpened they weigh right at about 315 grs. Also…I’ve tried the Scorpios and they don’t work. I shoot Easton Axis FMJ 300’s and even the smallest Scorpio is too big for my shafts.

Chris…I already have a 100 gr brass insert glued into the shaft. Adding more weight behind that is not the same. That changes the balance and dynamic spine of the arrow.

I think I’m gonna take Dave’s advice…sorta of. I just ordered some 175 and 200 gr glue on “Hammer” small game blunts along with some extra Tred Barta blunt claws from 3 rivers. I’m gonna try mounting the claws backwords behind my points. Hopefully it will act like a judo and catch in the grass. When you shoot an 800 gr plus arrow out of a 72 lb Brackenbury custom quest the arrows just want to keep going and going and going:wink:

Thanks for yalls help.

Brett

[Patrick]

#46279

I was refering to the arrow insert, not the screw-in. The way Chris was arriving at 275 was including the arrow insert.

Regarding the scorpios…Have you tried them with the broadhead adapter rings for the Axis’ shaft?

[Steertalker]

#46330

I gotch ya Patrick. Adapter rings??? Not sure what you are talking about.

Brett

[Steertalker]

#46336

OK Patrick…I went to Easton’s website and saw what you are talking about. Hmmmm…that might work if I can figure out how to get some. Thanks!!

Brett

[Patrick]

#46337

Here ya go:
http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=6758X

You need 5’s.

[Steertalker]

#46340

I found them but it said I need #6’s for Axis 300’s???? You say #5’s….I’m confused:?

Brett

[Patrick]

#46342

From the horses mouth:

http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/product/5

Click on the ‘MORE’ link, and it’ll open up a chart.

[Steertalker]

#46348

Yep..I already saw that but when you go to 3Rivers their option #6 is the one I need. Still confused:?

Brett

[Patrick]

#46359

3Rivers is refering to 300 Axis…not FMJ (They don’t sell FMJ’s)

[Steertalker]

#47129

Well…according to the Easton site, FMJ’s are Axis’ but they do list different BAR’s for the Axis ST 300’s vs the Axis FMJ 300’s. So I guess I’ll just get a few of the #5’s and #6’s and go from there. Really appreciate you bringing that to my attention. Thanks!

Brett

[Patrick]

#47144

My pleasure.
Yes, FMJ’s are technically called Axis FMJ’s. The 300 Axis FMJ requires 5’s.
Technically, what I’m refering to as an Axis, is called the ST Axis. The 300 ST Axis requires 6’s.

Oh, and how dare you question me! Didn’t you notice how many posts I’ve made on this forum?! That clearly makes me an expert. 😆

[MontanaFord]

#47628

Patrick,

We all know you like to flap your jaw.:lol::lol: But you do make excellent points and have good information (most of the time).:twisted: I have yet to get into the carbon world, but am working my way in that direction.

Michael.

[Patrick]

#47659

Check’s in the mail Michael. It was suppose to be ALL positive, so it’ll be slightly less than what we agreed to.

EDIT: Ooops, that should’ve been a PM.

[sapcut]

#47720

Here are my heavy judos. I usually use 400+ gr. for my 71 lbs. but this is what I had available for a picture.

It is a 200 gr. homemade adapter and 140 judo. I make adapters from 160 gr. to 270 gr.

[Steertalker]

#48181

Great idea Sapcut!!! Now why didn’t I think of that???:roll:

I wish Zwickey would come out with a heavier version judo for we guys that shoot heavier bows.:?

Thanks!!

Brett

[Patrick]

#48212

Sapcut…you’re a genius! I’m going to do that too.

[sapcut]

#48231

These adapters also give me up to 1″ of extra draw clearance which enables me to cut arrow shorter than normal. Which then stiffens arrow more creating, for me, 36.6% Ultra EFOC.

The picture is 1/2″ of extra clearance.

[Fletcher]

#49934

Ace Archery Tackle makes the Hex blunts up to 200 grains.

[Robin Conrads]

#50462

Patrick wrote: …That clearly makes me an expert. 😆

What is that old saying about an expert? A has-been who’s now a drip… 😆 Seriously, we do appreciate your help and input. Heck you’ve been a member here longer than me! 😯

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