Does anybody really pay this much?

[DAbersold]

#6463

I just watched an admittedly impressive video on Alaska Bowhunting’s new carbon longbow. That got me wondering about the price. So, I looked it up and Holly Cow! What a shock. As usual, ABS is way over the top again with what they think their stuff is worth. So, that got me thinking, if you bought all your equipment from them what would you have to spend. Here it is. Bow $1,500, a dozen Ashby broadheads $220, a dozen Grizzly Stiks $259, for a grand total of $1980. Does anybody really pay this ridiculous amount. I’m not normally a negative person, but this is really is over the top. It absolutely will not make you any better a shot or bowhunter than “normal” priced equipment. It just seems absurd… OK my blood pressure is coming down and my heart rate is returning to normal. I’m done ranting. 😳

[DAbersold]

#51618

OK – Just got a correction from my post. A dozen Ashby heads aren’t $220, they are $440! That brings the total to $2,200! Someone call EMS my heart is skipping beats!

[stalkin4elk]

#51620

They must sell enough to make it. I can think of lots of elite products in the outdoor word that simply are not worth 2-4x a “good normal” product. Said another way,2-4 new replacements may be better than one worn and depreciated elite product.
I must confess that I like good stuff such as Centaur and Leica but after many years of use they are worth close to what I paid if I wish to sell. My .02.

[stalkin4elk]

#51621

I forgot to mention that those prices are great! I can “window shop” without any temtations. Heck, raise them 50%!!!

[DAbersold]

#51632

Amen brother!

[jmsmithy]

#51638

My .02 ….

I do believe, to a degree, you get what you pay for. Look at a good custom made recurve. Go Schaefer, Black Widow etc. You looking at well over a grand, + $200 if you want takedown. OL Adcock? If you can get one, don’t even ask price. They going 12-1500 USED. I’m the last one who can afford it but I must say, after learning about Dr Ashby’s research and biting the bullet, I’ve never had broadness flight or performance like those Ashby’s. Are there less expensive ones that do same thing? Sure there are, but in my experimenting phase, it was less expensive in my mind to just buy Ashby’s than to buy 3-4 differing types of similar weight/style and do complete taste. Couple that with the fact that resharpening etc and you have heads that will literally last a lifetime ( how many other broad heads have you bought broke disposed of? A “S*^#Load for me)

Like a lot of us on this site (& TradGang, Black Widow, OL Adcock, etc etc etc) we spend WAY MORE than we need to in order to get the job done. An archer, I believe, is by nature an inquisitive tinkerer looking for better, more efficient simpler way of doing things. The deer/bear/elk whatever doesn’t know or care or understand whether a piece
of chipped stone lashed to river cane or an Ashby on a Griz
Stick Safari just pierced it’s pump station, and frankly we
really don’t/shouldn’t either. Simply a matter of how each
of us as archer/hunters ( or hunter/archers – defining you
is up to you ) choose to ply our trade.

Is there a right answer to how much is too much? To me not really BUT to my WIFE – well my friends – I’ve found out the hard way that I have repeatedly surpassed the
figure!!!:lol:

[wildschwein]

#51639

I have heard ABS produces top quality, one of a kind products. But like you I simply cannot justify the expense so I can only go from what Iv’e heard elsewhere.

[DAbersold]

#51671

jmsmithy – Right on and well written!

[Ed Ashby]

#52196

Before I say anything else I want to remind everyone that I have NO financial connection with Alaska Bowhunting Supply – nada, nothing, none whatsoever. That includes the “Ashby” broadhead. Having ‘no skin in the game’ I’m free to say what I’ve found about any product I’ve tested.

As for shafts, the Grizzly Stik has, by far, the lowest damage rate of any production carbon shaft tested, and a damage rate significantly lower than any other production synthetic shaft tested. Can one build up their own carbon shaft that’s more durable? Absolutely. An ordinary carbon shaft can be Internally Footed to produce a shaft more durable than the Grizzly Stik, but achieving that degree of durability requires a correctly designed IF, not just a section of smaller diameter shaft or a hardwood dowel shoved into the shaft. It’s a lot of effort and, by the time one has worked up a well-tuned arrow design, not an inexpensive operation in itself. Indeed, the first dozen will likely have cost well more than a dozen Grizzly Stiks, or the new Momentum shaft.

Both the Ashby and Nanook broadheads are designed for one purpose; top performance, sharpness, retained sharpness, durability and absolute reliability on every shot on every class of game hunted under all impact conditions. Are they worth the price? I’ll address that this way. While I was guiding with Gordon Cormack Safaris in Africa we had several Bowhunters but, as is the case for most PH’s, the bulk of our clients were rifle hunters. We always corresponded with our clients about what ammunition to bring, stressing the need for use of only the best premium bullets. Nonetheless, every year we would still have clients showing up for a hunt that was costing them many hundreds of dollars a day, often shooting top dollar rifles sporting high dollar scopes that cost more than many rifles, and then they would bring the cheapest ammunition they could buy at WalMart. As a consequence many of these folks wounded and/or lost game due to bullet failure. In Africa, you draw blood and you pay the trophy fee; more hundreds of dollars. What’s the point? It’s the bullet that kills, and minimizing the odds of having a failure requires the use of only the best bullet available. For the bowhunter it’s the entire arrow system that must perform. Just as for bullets, minimizing the odds of having an arrow failure requires the use of only the best arrow components.

Cost? Today most all hunting is an expensive proposition. Start adding up the total cost of everything you do to put yourself into position for that one shot, from the magazines you read to learn new tricks and tactics and the gas for truck for pre-season scouting to the licenses fees you pay and the clothes to keep you hidden and warm. In Texas, unless you’re a land owner, you’re probably paying for a hunting lease or a place to day hunt. If you’re after elk even the license will be expensive if you’re out of state. If you’re using a guide anywhere you’re spending big dollars. Bear, caribou or moose in Canada or Alaska? Break into the piggy bank, big time. Starting to see the point? The cost of using premium arrows and broadheads become a relatively small percentage of your total hunting expenses. Spread that cost over the life span of a premium arrow and it becomes a truly insignificant expense.

How long will do premium arrows last? I still have half of the very first dozen ‘premium arrows’ I ever bought. They are Sweetland Forgewood shafts, purchase in the early 1960’s. Compared to other arrows of the day they were truly expensive. At the time one could get a ‘complete kit’ to make a dozen POC arrow for $4.00, from Herter’s. That’s about 1/9th the cost of that dozen Sweetland Forgewoods shafts.

The Sweetlands originally wore Pearson Deadheads. In the mid-1980’s the broadhead was change to the 190 Grizzly. Back in my early days of bowhunting it was my custom to put dots on my arrows, between the fletching, for each animal killed with each individual arrow. Each of the remaining Forgewood’s from that first dozen wears at least 5 dots, and most have far more dots than that. Were the ‘premium’ Forgewoods worth the ‘extravagant price’ I paid for them? I think so.

As for bows I don’t consider myself a bow freak. To me the bow launches the arrow and then its job is completed. The bow I’ve taken the most animals with, just over 300, is a straight end longbow I built myself. Does that mean I don’t care how a bow shoots or how good its performance is? Not at all. I have many other bows; way too many; and I’ve gone through many bows that I no longer have. Some were pricy, and some of the ones I still have were not inexpensive, like my Border longbow, Border recurve with 2 sets of limbs, and Thunderbird T/D longbow. None of my Hill Longbows were exactly inexpensive. But today I’m looking more and more at the high-performance bows. Why? I’m getting older. I can no longer shoot many of the bows I’ve used in years past. The draw weight is becoming too much, but all is not lost.

Some of today’s modest draw-weight top-line, high performance longbows (which usually command a top dollar price) can produce the same (and sometimes greater) velocity with the same weight arrows as the much higher draw-weight longbows I once shot with ease. Is the cost of a bow my major consideration or is it the ability to continue launching arrows at a level of force that I’ve come to have total faith in as being “enough”, when used with the ‘premium’ arrow setups I prefer? No, cost it is not the overriding factor.

For the record I’m getting ready to try out a Carbon Nano. Will it be the bow I’m now looking for? I don’t yet know, but it is worth a try … and ABS will let you try before you buy, and they even pay the shipping. Does anyone else make an offer like that? Not that I know of. That tells me they have a lot of faith that you’re going to be impressed with the bow’s performance. Will the performance be impressive enough to make it worth the cost? Time will tell.

Don’t misread any of the above. I’m not saying that the equipment from ABS is the best in the world, nor am I saying it isn’t. I will say they make top quality products that have performed extremely well in the testing … and they ask a top price to go with it. On today’s market there are more great broadhead choices available than ever before … and there are also the worst broadhead choices ever available (at least in my lifetime). Today’s choices available in shafts is expansive and, just as for broadhead, some are great and some are not.

Equipment cost is a relative thing, and how personally valuable the particular equipment is to any individual depends on what he’s looking for and what he values most. If that Carbon Nano bow seems too expensive check out the price of the top line compound bow, fully set up. Which bow do you think will have the lowest ‘upkeep cost’ and which will still be giving the same great performance 30 years from now?

Whether any piece of equipment is worth the price asked depends on each person’s expectations, needs and aspirations. A high performing bow and a top performing arrow setup is expensive but having equipment that meets your every expectation, need and aspiration is priceless.

Ed

[FUBAR]

#52389

I thought that Dr. Ashby will come to my house and cook dinner if I bought some Ashby heads:lol:

[DAbersold]

#52405

Well Doc – With all due respect, for not having any connection with ABS, you just gave one heck of an endorsement for every product I mentioned.
Are they the absolute best? I don’t know. Are they the most technically advanced arrows, heads, and bows. I don’t know and don’t care. Will they make you a better shot or bowhunter? No they won’t. I think my biggest beef is the lies that most business advertise that you have to have the biggest and best of everythin, every year to be a good hunter. All in the name of the all mighty dollar. Free enterprise? Yes. The rape of the american people? Yes. You are right in that it isn’t just in the trad industry or even archery as a whole. It’s every where and it’s sad.

[Ed Ashby]

#52523

dabersold wrote: Well Doc – With all due respect, for not having any connection with ABS, you just gave one heck of an endorsement for every product I mentioned.
Are they the absolute best? I don’t know. Are they the most technically advanced arrows, heads, and bows. I don’t know and don’t care. Will they make you a better shot or bowhunter? No they won’t. I think my biggest beef is the lies that most business advertise that you have to have the biggest and best of everythin, every year to be a good hunter. All in the name of the all mighty dollar. Free enterprise? Yes. The rape of the american people? Yes. You are right in that it isn’t just in the trad industry or even archery as a whole. It’s every where and it’s sad.

Dabersold, First off, let me clarify: I’m not endorsing anything. I do not endorse products. What I stated about the ABS shafts and Ashby and Nanook broadheads is merely the results of the testing. Nothing more, nothing less. Note that I didn’t mention any of the other ABS broadheads. How good are they? I have never tested them, so do not know.

If you read the Studies you’ll find that the most durable production shafts are not the Grizzly Stiks, it’s the hardwood shafts – and they’ve been around for eons. You’ll also find that there are several other broadheads that perform very well indeed. However there are only a very few broadheads that did not suffer any failures at all. The ABS Ashby and Nanook are among those, as is the 190 grain Grizzly and the long out of production Pearson Deadhead. Another broadhead in that ‘never damaged’ group which comes readily to mind is the Blackstump. I will say that the Nanook and Ashby broadheads held their sharpness better than the others in that group. The standard Eclipse and A-Bowyer broadheads also performed very well. Note that the products I just mentioned are not necessarily new nor are all ‘top of the line’, pricewise. It just how they performed in the testing.

You said:

dabersold wrote: Will they make you a better shot or bowhunter? No they won’t.

I don’t think that’s always correct. It depends on what one is hunting, how one hunts and what equipment one is now using. Arrow/broadhead failures are far more common than most want to admit. Should you doubt that just ask any busy deer processer how many broadheads he’s found in rifle killed deer; and not nearly all those broadheads will be mechanicals or replaceable blade broadheads. It’s just like those premium bullets. Premium bullets don’t make the hunter a better shot and they won’t improve his basic hunting skills but they do alter his success rate, especially when the shot is less than perfect. The same is true for the arrow setup a bowhunter chooses to use. In certain situations it can make the difference between a clean kill and a wounded animal.

Not everything done by everyone is motivated by greed. I’ve made not one penny off the Study. Indeed it has cost me a sizeable pile of cash to do the testing (and it’s not tax deductible, either). For years I have, however, lobbied manufacturers hard for better quality produces, and some have responded with new, and better performing, products. What they feel they need to charge for developing, producing and marketing those products is solely their business. No one is forced to purchase those products and no one mandates that anyone buy them. The decision to purchase is consensual, and ‘rape’ is not a consensual act. I, for one, am very glad to see the still-expanding diversity of top performing shafts and broadheads available for those who do see the value in them.

Ed

[DAbersold]

#52561

OK Doc – I give. You keep killing buffs with the high tech, top dollar stuff, and I’ll keep killing stuff here in the U.S. with the stuff I use. It’s all good. You are right. We don’t have to buy the stuff if we don’t want to. Thanks for all the studies and research.

[Ed Ashby]

#52580

Just for the record, most of my buffalo have NOT been taken with “high tech, high dollar stuff”. I’ve killed most of my buffalo with a straight end longbow, a heavy hardwood shaft and the 190 Grizzly broadhead. Does it work? You bet it does. Do the A&A fletched, EFOC and Ultra-EFOC carbon shafts and the Ashby BH offer an advantage? Yes. From the same bow it gives exit wounds and the BH is still shaving sharp AFTER passing through a buffalo. My heavy hardwoods and the Grizzly didn’t give me that type of performance. If I were starting out to shoot all those buffalo again which arrow setup would I use? The one that gives me the best performance I can get.

What arrow setup do I now use on smaller big game? The same one that works best on the big stuff. If it works best on a buffalo it’s certaily going to work on the smaller big game too.

Ed

[DAbersold]

#52603

Well…I can’t argue with that. But, really Doc do we really need to spend a few hundred dollars on a A&A fletched, EFOC and Ultra-EFOC carbon shafts and Ashby BH to be a proficient and ethical hunter? Especially here in the states considering that the vast majority of us only get to hunt deer sized game. I’m not arguing the set up, just the price. It just seems a bit over the top.

[Ed Ashby]

#52625

Dabersold, that brings us right back to that premium bullet situation. When things go right any arrow setup will work. When things go badly the arrow setup does make a difference.

A large whitetail has some bones that are as thick and tough as the ribs of even a supersized buffalo. From thoroghly testing it out on fresh kill whitetails I KNOW that the arrow setup I use will break through ANY bone in a whitetail’s body; both shoulder ball joints or both ball joints in the hip and the pelvic girdle to boot; even the skull. That’s an added margin of performance that gives confidence should, God forbid, the shot end up impacting somewhere unintended. What’s absolutute confidence in the terminal performance of your arrow setup worth to you? That’s a question each bowhunter must answer for themselves.

Ed

p.s.: I didn’t metion using the Ashby BH. I still use several of those ‘best performing’ broadheads on the smaller big game. I’m wating to test out the ToughHead and patiently waiting for their 300 grain version to become available. I have high hopes for it.

[jmsmithy]

#52629

Thanks Doc. You have done more for all of us than can ever be articulated in this or any forum. And thank you for explaining ths situation at hand more eloquently than I could ever muster. To Dabersold’s point, and I certainly get it, ethics are ours as hunters solely. The value of our equipment certainly won’t define them or our ability as hunters in and of themselves. HOWEVER, I do believe that an ethical hunter is compelled to use the very best quality equipment he/she can afford.:!:

[wildschwein]

#52644

jmsmithy I agree with you to a point, but if an ethical hunter uses the very best quality equipment he/she can afford, then where does that place hunters using selfbows or knapped heads. Do they work? You bet! Are they the highest quality gear that person can afford? I doubt it. Ethics are such slippery things.
Love the discussions on this site, always guaranteed to make a fella think.

[Ed Ashby]

#52659

Thank you, Smithy. I appreciate your kind words. I’ve pushed manufacturers so hard to get improved arrow materials and I do really appreciate those few manufacturers who have stepped up to the challenge. Few folks appreciate the cost the manufacturers accrue in developing those products. One of those folks confided that just the dedicated, purpose-designed CNC controlled bevel grinder cost them a cool $50,000, just so they could get their single-bevel grind right.

Ed

[Ed Ashby]

#52684

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Whether any piece of equipment is worth the price asked depends on each person’s expectations, needs and aspirations.

Wildschwein, I think the answer to your question lies within the quote from my post above. The bowhunter who chooses to hunt with a selfbow and/or knapped heads has different expectations, needs and aspirations. They have chosen to add that extra level of challenge.

I have a good friend whom I’ve hunted with who does use knapped heads on arrows that he makes himself. He knows he has to severely limit his shot options but, within his chosen equipment, he still uses the best he can make. I’ve watched him pass up shots that 99+ percent of bowhunters would take, just because he wasn’t confident that he could make a clean kill with his chosen equipment. His expectations and aspirations are defined by the equipment he chooses to use. Only a small portion of the heads he has knapped will meet his standard as being good enough to actually use. Most end up as discards; things he gives away to anyone interested in having one as a keepsake. Every arrow he hunts with is as perfect as he can get it. His arrow setup meets his needs because he is ultra-disciplined in his hunting, and that’s the way he wants it.

If he is typical of those who choose to hunt with that type of setup I’d say their equipment is the best available for their chosen style of hunting.

Ed

[Ed Ashby]

#52686

Sorry for the double post. The computer hung up and I didn’t think the first one went through so I’ve deleted this one.

[DAbersold]

#52853

Doc – First off, I think an apology on my part is in order regarding one of my posts. My remark “You keep killing buffs with the high tech, top dollar stuff” was not worded well and could very easily be taken the wrong way. I have read your reports and know pretty well what you used in them. I was going to try to explain what I meant when I typed that statement, but can’t really figure out how to put it in words. Suffice to say, I’m not entirely sold on the idea that you need the same arrow for whitetails as you do buff.
Anyway, here is what I wanted to get to. My original post was about exorbitant prices for equipment and not in any way a dig on you or your studies. I think your studies are incredible and have helped thousands of us improve our set-ups. I too have changed the way I set up my arrows based upon your say so. Every one of my carbon and aluminum arrows wear a 100gr brass insert and at least 145 gr. BH and weigh in at around 10-12 gr. per lb. of draw.. That’s a far cry from where I started and they fly and penetrate very well. I realize all of this you did without asking for a cent from any of us and you need to be commended for your work and sacrafice. So, I’m going to sign off this topic and move on to greener pastures. Thanks for your discrete way of replying to my unintentional less than corgile posts, and once again, If I offended you I’m sorry and thanks again for all you have done to better the sport we all hold so near.

P.S. I’m still not paying that much for my arrows.:wink:

[Ed Ashby]

#53199

Dabersold, no apology is necessary. I took no offense at anything you wrote and think we have had a very good, open and frank discussion on this thread. I like that.

You are correct when you say that one does not need the same arrow setup for whitetails as you do for buff. On a buff I want absolutely every iota of penetration I can get. That type of setup is more than required on even a supersized whitetail, but there’s no question that the buffalo setup will work on any whitetail that walks, and I do like to use the same setup most of the time. I think using a single arrow setup all the time does have some advantages. However, I have absolutely no qualms in changing to any of the top performing broadheads on my arrow setup for lighter big game, but it will still be on the best tuned, most structurally sound EFOC or Ultra-EFOC arrow setup I can assemble. At least 90 to 95 percent of the time I won’t need that level of terminal arrow performance on animals as light as whitetails but I want it there when that other 5 or 10 percent of hits happen.

Ed

[jmsmithy]

#53251

wildschwein wrote: jmsmithy I agree with you to a point, but if an ethical hunter uses the very best quality equipment he/she can afford, then where does that place hunters using selfbows or knapped heads. Do they work? You bet! Are they the highest quality gear that person can afford? I doubt it. Ethics are such slippery things.
Love the discussions on this site, always guaranteed to make a fella think.

Wildschein – Agreed…I have not tried to go the selfbow/knapped head route (yet! :lol:). Too your point…I like to think those talented soles producing their own equip have the utmost in quality equipment. They know EVERY nuance of every milimeter and what each bow/head is capable of. Or at least that’s what I like to believe! 😆

[Ralph]

#53470

What one pays for one’s equipment is between the supplier and one’s self. No problem with what one spends or doesn’t spend on an item or items (Except it gets regrettable in a heartbeat when one’s boots or other clothing breaks down. Money is well spent there. Sorry!)
I’m perfectly happy with what I use, it works great and the meat tastes just as good. No matter what you pay for a bow or arrows or broadheads, etc. you cannot purchase the practice time and skills involved in their use. A hit is a hit and a miss is a miss. $ no mass!
ABS folk are really nice people to deal with. I had a faulty item, I sent them a picture from my phone by email, they responded very quickly, said they were unaware of such a problem, passed the pic and info to the manufacturer and sent me a replacement at no charge whatsoever. Now that is a big plus to begin with for a company. Ralph!

[MCuiksa]

#53492

R2, well said. The meat tastes just as good. You’re right on with the clothes/boots too in my opinion. I have three hunting purchases that I’ve regretted:
1) A cheap pair of boots that didn’t make it through two seasons – and my feet were wet the whole time even though they were sold as water repellant (yes, I know water repellant isn’t waterproof, but these actually attracted water I think!! 🙂 )
2) A cheap set of rain gear. I was cold and wet a lot in them.
3) A cheap pair of binoc’s. Terrible in low light, hard to focus.

Had I spent 50% more the first time, I wouldn’t have had to buy ’em a second time. 🙁

That doesn’t mean you need to go “nano” on every purchase but more often than not I’ve found middle-of-the-road to be a good balance. Mike.

[David Petersen]

#53584

Good discussion fellers, and once again I admire that here we are able to absolutely disagree with one another without attempting to destroy the other guy’s preferences as worthless, much less feeling the need for personal insults. Thanks, amigos.

To add to an essential point that Ed mentioned, re the high cost of specialized machinery for single-bevel broadhead-making, please consider this: Any time a “new” technology comes along, requiring substantial investment in new machinery to make a product for a fledgling market, it’s a big gamble for the makers any way you cut it. Aside from the extremely high level of time-consuming hands-on attention to every single head, they are forced to charge higher prices to recoup their investment in specialized machinery and top-end materials, and the financial gamble becomes even greater. I believe that in most cases these folks are charging as little as they feel they can in order to re-earn their investment, without pricing themselves out of the market. So, while some people will always try to “make a killing” on everything they sell, we should realize that this is not likely the case with the new flock of high-end broadheads. The Ashby data created a demand for these things in some of us, which we translated to the marketplace, a portion of which continues to blow hot air attempting to dispute decades of solid scientific research, while other are responding to our demands for the most lethal possible heads. While I sure can’t afford them on an income of Social Security and a very little bit of writing, I nonetheless do the best I can to support these valiant efforts by buying and shooting and testing most of these new heads, a batch or two each year. I owe it to the manufacturers who are listening, and thus to the future of bowhunting. I also feel I owe it to the elk, which are tougher to kill by far than moose and I am led to believe the only tougher animal on our continent is the Kingwouldbe-quality monster hog. So I do it for the elk, and for myself because I wounded and lost a few in the early days and at my stage in hunting and life have some dues to repay in that category. But as I’ve said before, if I hunted only deer and small pigs and was scraping for gas money, I’d have to stick with something cheaper. Right now the one good workable compromise I’m aware of is the Tusker Concord. Not the very best, but damn good and a comparative bargian. Hey, Steve, Sr. — that’s almost as pontiferous as you. 😀

[Ralph]

#53636

Yep, know what ya mean about retirement funds and new goodies. I would dearly love to have an all carbon bow to add to my collection but I have like 18 bows, all but two are longbows and those two others be older recurves.
I also have in my household a monetary adviser that will quite readily point out to me how many bows that I own, that they all shoot just fine and I do not need another bow, no matter if it’s all carbon, wood, plastic, don’t matter. She speaks, so an occasional dozen wood shafts, some feathers(and etc. for them), and (heh, heh, heh) a new bow quiver from ABS (working on broadheads too) makes me happy or at least, keeps the peace! 😆
I have Grizzlies, Ribtek’s and some old Ace broadheads but my love knows not the difference so Ha!

[Patrick]

#58737

No, it will not make you a better shot, and no, I wouldn’t pay that much either. HOWEVER, what I have purchased from them has been absolutely meticulous, and I would be willing to bet it would be the same with their broadheads and the bow as well. Just the same, there’s no way I’d every buy a high end Mercedes (or any Mercedes for that matter), but I sure can appreciate the attention to detail AND why they cost so much.

[WICanner]

#58959

I think if you hunt bear, you go loaded for bear. Guys who hunt such creatures and worse, need every edge that they can get. So, in the far away bush, equipment must perform. If you are home shooting whitetails, and that’s your game, the rules are way different. And thus the prices can be different too. Broadheads are never the place to skimp. Buy the best, as it is where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

And don’t feel bad about what you spend on your trad gear, whatever that may be, as the compound guys spend a lot more for shooting junk. Way too many critical components. Just a thought.

[David Petersen]

#59009

Patrick — Is that you in your new avatar photo falling from the sky? 😆 There’s an old pilot’s saying I’ve always embraced: “Never jump out of a perfectly good airplane” (or helicopter). And let’s not forget Chef in Apocaplyse Now: “Never leave the f—— boat!”

[Patrick]

#59056

David Petersen wrote: Patrick — Is that you in your new avatar photo falling from the sky?

It sure is! 😀

[Raymond Coffman]

#59289

Patrick — FallschirmJaeger — “Hunter from the Sky”
Yes an intended play on words -haha
A truly ” exciting” experience IMHO — everyone should do it at least once–
Scout

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