Disappointing performance (not mine)

[handirifle]

#2922

I was watching a hunting show the other day (sorry but I didn’t get the name) and the guy was on a traditional archery elk hunt.

They managed to call in a nice bull elk, and the guy shot. range I think they said later, was about 30yds. I have no idea what the bows draw weight was, but he was pretty emphatic about the 615gr arrow weight.

Anyway, back to the hunt. His first shot actually hit the bulls shoulder. Penetration looked to be about a whopping 3-4 inches. Lucky for him, it must have hurt enough that the bull only ran about 10-15yds. The bull than stopped and the guy shot a second arrow. This one looked like it only went in about 6-8 inches. Fortunately for him, it was a heart shot. The fortunately part wasn’t his placement, but the fact that even though this arrow too, had dismal penetration, it was enough to reach the heart and the bull only ran a short distance before dying.

To me, even though he got the bull, it was almost embarrassing seeing the arrows sticking out so far. If his shot would have been even a few inches off, that would have been a wounded bull, running for miles.

Some may feel otherwise, but after reading the Ashby theory, it really made me take notice of this hunt.

On the other hand, I LOVE watching Fred Eichler with his recurve. Almost every one of his hits (at least the ones we see) are either near or complete pass thrus.

[wildschwein]

#14658

I wonder what type of head was he using?

[Brennan Herr]

#14795

I saw that episode as well….but I think he shot a shiras moose in Wyoming the show is Cabela’s Ultimate Adventures. When he first shot I couldn’t beleave that he took a shoot at that distance. It was a poor showing for arrow performance and if I can get a link for it somewhere I will post it. I don’t recall the broadhead used either but I will check to see if it can be seen on the video.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#14803

wildschwein wrote: I wonder what type of head was he using?

That was my first question as well.

[handirifle]

#14919

I do not think he mentioned the broadhead. That was my first thought. It looked like something an expandable head would do.

I am not a purist in any of the styles, but I have to laugh when I see some of the head designs out there. Some look like a fighter jet, with a long pointy nose and rather abruptly jutting out blades, and those are fixed blades.

Hitting those cutting edges has to be like hitting a wall.

The old 3-1 ratio makes a lot of sense no matter what type of bow one uses.

[jmsmithy]

#18120

Agreed on 3:1. I’ve used A LOT (as I’m sure we all have)of broadheads over the years, through wheelbows. Some were definite gimmicks, some worked, well in fact. I’ve come to believe (after spending time here, reading Ashby reports etc) that heavy, single bevel 2 blades way to go. I have had great success with one three blade head, one piece, forged no nonsense( G, I wonder which? 😉 ) through compounds. But now that’ I’ve become basically exclusively traditional, I find Ashby’s and those like them are the way to go. Evidence is undeniable. As far as expandables go, the only deer I’ve ever lost (3 whitetail does) where ALL hit with expandables. I used them 3 times, various brands, and promptly threw them away. In fact, my Alaska guide won’t allow them in his bear/moose/’bou camp AND has turned away manufacturers hunts sure to get him on the boob tube… 🙄

That’s enough evidence for me…

[DAbersold]

#23198

Although I seriously doubt it, with the information given in the initial post, how do we know that of the 615gr. arrow weight 450gr. weren’t up front with a single bevel head? Point being, without more info on the arrow and bow poundage I think we are being to quick to judge. Just saying. 😕

[handirifle]

#23490

dabersold wrote: Although I seriously doubt it, with the information given in the initial post, how do we know that of the 615gr. arrow weight 450gr. weren’t up front with a single bevel head? Point being, without more info on the arrow and bow poundage I think we are being to quick to judge. Just saying. 😕

From my first post, there wasn’t eenough info given to make any determination other than, what ever it was (head or poundage) neither was ideal. The only thing the bshooter commented on was his heavy arrow. It killed the animal and fairly quickly, but it really looked bad.

One has to really wonder what the poundage and the head were that he used. Either way it was a poor showing in my opinion. I enjoy hunting shows and have hunted all my life. I know all kills are not clean nor pretty, but that is real life, not filmed hunts that we have a choice to show or not. Should he have shown it even though it wasn’t ideal? I say no but am sure others disagree.

He got the game and deserves to enjoy the meat but save the film for another hunt.

[Troy Breeding]

#23686

I’ve talked to several of the so called TV celebs. Most, when you ask about bow weight, arrow weight, foc, or broadhead type have to stop and think before answering.

I ask one so called top TV dude what he thought about BH’s other than the ones that sponsored his show and he replied,”If they don’t want to pay to play then I don’t need them”.

Troy

[handirifle]

#24901

I have learned that there is about 1 out of 10, or maybe less, of the current batch of hunters (gun and bow) that I can enjoy watching. Very few TRUE sportsmen on the air these days. It’s all about the $$$c to them.

As I said before, Fred Eichler, is on the top of my list of hunters to watch. he pushes his sponsors’ products, for sure, but the shots shown, are always ethical and clean. No idea what’s on the cutting room floor.

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