different Carbon arrows

[IRON]

#2501

Hi Guy’s n gal’s

ive been a memeber for a while and been lurking. i am fairly new to all this.. i bought a bear grizzly 2 yrs ago, and that led to more bows..i now have a small collection of recurves, 15 or so mostly Bears. the one i hunt with is my 1970 Kodiak Hunter 45#@28 i pull around 31.5″ .. ok on to my question.

i use CX heritage 150’s and i have 250’s i also bought some gold tip traditional 55/70.. i am planning on making my own arrows this winter (figure me and my boy’s could do this instead of ps2) what other carbon shafts are out there that traditionalists are using? does beeman or any of the other makers make a shaft for non-wheeled bows?

thanks in advance, Jason

[bkyrdshooter]

#60980

Iron, I too am fairly new to this site or at least to posting and commenting on this site. I have recently began to shoot recurves and longbows again. I like carbon arrows and have chosen to try the CX Heritage arrows. I shoot a 68″ 50# @28″ longbow my draw is 29″. From all the charts I have read the 250’s fall under what I would need. I would venture to guess that you might be close to the same as myself. Do you have any pros or cons on these arrows since you are asking ?’s about other arrows or are you just looking to experiment with others. I do build my own arrows and I am planning on ordering some Heritage shafts soon. I guess I would like more info on these shafts before I buy them. Thanks for you time.

[IRON]

#61120

I have just tried the ones i listed,I shoot CX heritage mainly due to the fact i can get a dz shaFts for 55 bux. the charts also told me to shoot the 250’s, but the 150’s fly much better evn out of my 55# bow. i am going to bareshaft the 150’s and 250’s just to make sure.

if i were you i really would buy a couple of each and bare shaft them. 3rivers archery sells a bunch of different shafts. i would like to get some of the Arrow Dynamics shafts.

Jason.

[bkyrdshooter]

#61960

Thank you. I will look into getting a couple different sizes and trying them out. Do you know if 3 rivers sells one arrow? I know Lancaster archery does. Thanks again. Trent

[Stephen Graf]

#62028

Jason – Where are you getting Carbon Express heritage shafts for $55.00? I want some…

[IRON]

#62472

Yes i think 3rivers sells what they call a test kit.

http://www.3riversarchery.com/Arrows+Shafting+Test+Kits+Carbon+Express++Shaft+Kit_c58_s124_p211_i6790-1_product.html

paste that they have other test kits as well.

as for the shafts i get, they come from a local archery store..i dont know if its a mistake, but ive bought them different times and the price is the same…i dont ask questions i just pay and go on my way.

[Ralph]

#62851

While we’re on the topic of carbon arrows, is there a place where one can get info on how to interpret all the different lingo on all the different brands of arrows and how to relate them to what yer shootin’. Like what compares, for example, to a 50-55# woodie with 125 gr. point or a 45-50# with 125 gr. or whatever wood arrow one is shooting. Wood is easy to figure out and aluminum also but I haven’t gotten into carbon because they be too expensive for this old retired fellow to experiment with.

[rayborbon]

#63383

R2,

Good question. I have ventured out and only been successful using Carbon Express Heritage so far. I can shoot 55-60 lb spined arrows about 28 inches in length and 125 grain points out of a 55lb longbow for instance. That is cedar… Now I had good luck with that bow using Carbon Express Heritage 250s. Their chart is on 3rivers http://www.3riversarchery.com/pdf/CarbonExpressChart.pdf I would venture to guess that either the 150 or 250 would be ok for your example.

I found the Grizzlystik was weaker than I expected (noting they stake claims to having a wide spine range). For my example setup I would not use a Sitka but would go one level stiffer. Your example might be on the line and the Sitka could be OK. However since Grizzlystik is so expensive and made in China I prefer to decline.

Now on to expenses. I actually found that as often as my friends and I would break MY arrows it was cheaper to buy Carbon on the long haul. Less breakage. It’s usually my friends who break wood arrows when they miss the target. Like when we do a rock shoot in the desert. We don’t intentionally shoot at rocks most of the time. 😈

-Ray

[Patrick]

#63524

I’ve been shooting Easton Axis 340’s, and while I don’t care for the HIT inserts, they are holding up amazingly well. I’m kind of trying to break/lose them so I can legitimize buying some wood shafts from Rick Stillman (aka “Fletcher”). Shhh…don’t tell my wife :wink:. I’m having a very difficult time breaking them (although I’ve lost 2) :lol:. I haven’t ruined a single one of them and they’ve taken some EXTREME abuse. I’ve had Carbon Express Maxima’s and Beman Classic’s split on the ends when hitting very solid objects. With that said, I used JB Weld to install the inserts on the Axis’, and not on the others. Maybe that’s the difference.

[Stephen Graf]

#8352

I’ve got a dozen of the old outsert carbon arrows laying around and I was thinking about fixing them up. They have an outsert on the front which makes them almost indestructible. It’s sort of a combination insert and external footing in one. They are also thick walled and small diameter like the Axis arrows.

They fell out of favor with compound shooters when the insert arrows came along. Using inserts allows for shorter arrows since the inserts don’t affect how an arrow comes across an arrow rest. But for traditional archers shooting off the shelf, it’s not a negative.

Axis arrows are sort of a reinvention of the original pultruded carbon shafts, just with inserts instead of outserts. The old arrows sure were a lot cheaper…

[Patrick]

#8377

steve graf wrote: Axis arrows are sort of a reinvention of the original pultruded carbon shafts, just with inserts instead of outserts. The old arrows sure were a lot cheaper…

If you’re referring to the old Bemans with the outserts, I have to humbly disagree. There is NO comparison between ANY of the carbons made today (that I’ve tried) and those old Bemans. Those outserts were used because they were ABSOLUTELY necessary in order to maintain integrity on impact. Those Bemans were MIGHTY expensive back when they were “the” carbon shaft. There is no way those Bemans would have held up to the abuse that the newer carbons are capable of withstanding…not even close.

[Stephen Graf]

#9089

No, I am talking about the old Carbon Impact shafts. I know bemans had trouble with breaking and splintering. But they were not pultruded carbon shafts.
Beman gets a lot of credit for inventing carbon shafts, but that’s because Easton payed their advertising. Carbon Impact was the original carbon arrow company. And their arrows were a lot better. Maybe still are?

[Patrick]

#9101

I had no clue. I don’t remember them at all. Interesting.

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