Clay Hayes new book!

[David Petersen]

#6921

Hey, our tradbow bro’ Clay Hayes has his first book! Those who know Clay know he’s a real deal. Check it out … http://www.amazon.com/Traditional-archery-hunting-traditional-bowhunting-ebook/dp/B00I2CPZTY/ref=sr_1_6?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1390926212&sr=1-6&keywords=traditional+archery#_

Congrats, Clay!

[Ben M.]

#56274

Yes, congrats, Clay. I saw this news come across FB today.

-Ben

[Col Mike]

#56289

Clay

Come on Trad—can’t you put it in print? So will just have to have Linda download it and work that black magic to get it on this confuser. Fur silencers and an e-book:shock: Darn youngun’s:D

Congrats

Mike

[tailfeather]

#56305

I also saw it through fb….but i don’t have a kindle. Any plans for a print version? Would love to read it.

[tailfeather]

#56309

Ahhh….so is see after reading a little more closely that there are free apps to be able to read ebooks on a pc, mac, smartphone, etc. Guess I’ll be getting it after all.

[William Warren]

#56353

It will be on my Kindle momentarily……:D The plain Kindle is the best deal in reading and the battery life is ridiculously long.

[Clay Hayes]

#56382

Thanks Dave, there will be paperbacks available within the next few weeks. I just haven’t got the book formatted for that yet. I’ll let you know.

[James Harvey]

#56383

Get into kindles! If you travel, or spend time out in the bush, they’re so great. A library in your pocket and the latest ones have an excellent in built light. You don’t have to waste precious head lamp batteries on reading at night anymore, and the kindle genuinely gives you weeks of reading on a single charge. And you don’t get eye strain like you do reading an ebook on a computer screen.

They are truly one of the highlights of that most dark and desultory regions of human invention, consumer electronics.

I look forward to reading Clay’s book too 😀

Jim

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#56391

Started reading it last night, and laughed out loud several times during the first chapter. Well done, compadre!

[Ptaylor]

#56402

Clay Hayes wrote: Thanks Dave, there will be paperbacks available within the next few weeks. I just haven’t got the book formatted for that yet. I’ll let you know.

Looking forward to a paper copy!

[Cameron Unruh]

#56473

Picked up my digital copy last night and plan to start reading tonight. Love the cover pic.

Now if we can just convince Dave P. to get some of his books formatted for the digital world. I would love to get them all…

Cameron

[Mark Turton]

#56715

Congratulations Clay, I’ll be waiting for the ‘book’ to be published, electric books are just wrong!

Mark.

[horserod]

#56976

I agree with ya Mark! I need something more tangible to hang on to. Horserod

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#57002

As someone involved in the publishing industry, I have to come to Clay’s defense here a little bit. While there may still be lots of people who say they want a print book, the economics of trying to get a print book published in this day and age, especially if the publisher isn’t convinced that there is a huge audience for it, have become really daunting, to say the least. It’s a tough landscape for anyone who wants to produce something interesting and unconventional in print these days, like it or not.

That said, there are some interesting “print on demand” options that have become available to smaller publishers, and these options are continuing to be developed. I don’t think it will be long before one can go to (insert large online book seller here) and choose between an e-book for immediate download, or a “print on demand” copy for those who prefer print.

Maybe e-readers aren’t “trad” (though no less than an online forum…)but I really like being able to take 50 books on the road with me if I want to, in something as thick as a magazine, and have them at my fingertips. I’ve learned to embrace both, and both formats have their advantages and disadvantages.

As Steven King once said,

“The book is not the important part – the book is just the delivery system. The important part is the story, and the talent.”

[Stephen Smiley]

#57031

Thats why I love this forum, great exchange of ideas and information. I have a Nook but much prefer a hard copy book to read. That being said there is a lot of advantage to using a devise that lets you change the font or is backlit for ease of reading in differant enviornments. Maybe I will reconsider my use of an e-reader.

Either way I cant wait to get my hands on a copy of Clay’s new book, I’m a fan.

[David Petersen]

#57101

I too will never own a Kindle etc. and differing from Bruce, I think a print book is more than just a container. That being said, the format in which we choose to read books is pretty far down any list of important issues in life. I don’t know what Clay has decided on print books but we talked about it some last night and I reversed my original encouragement for him to put in print and now recommend that he not go to that expense since the book is small, only about 20,000 words plus photos. He would not be able to put much of a cover price on it and maybe never regain his production costs (self-publishing, which is really the only route for books like this right now), some of which are the same no matter the size of the book. Also, the lowest “media” or book rate postage rate, under one pound, is $2.38 which the buyer would have to absorb. So in this case both Clay and readers come out best by far with electronic. If any of my own books ever go electronic, it will be after I’m gone. At my “stage in life” there are just some places I don’t care to go, including electronic books, Facebook, Iphone, etc. The reason you can’t teach new tricks to old dogs is that we just aren’t interested in learning them. It’s tough enough maintaining the old tricks.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#57144

David Petersen wrote: …I don’t know what Clay has decided on print books but we talked about it some last night and I reversed my original encouragement for him to put in print and now recommend that he not go to that expense since the book is small, only about 20,000 words plus photos. He would not be able to put much of a cover price on it and maybe never regain his production costs (self-publishing, which is really the only route for books like this right now), some of which are the same no matter the size of the book….

Which, I have to say, is another redeeming effect of the e-book revolution – the fact that “minimum length in order to be commercially viable” has largely been thrown out the window.

For a long time now, overly-conservative, risk-averse print publishers won’t pay attention to any book proposal if it is less than 250 words or so. Not because it has anything to do with what the subject actually requires, but largely because of archaic notions that the weight/thickness of a print book affects pricing.

E-books have thrown that notion where it belongs, and have largely freed up authors to, as Clay’s book exemplifies, put out a book that is as long as it needs to be, without being told you need to “fluff it up” before it’s supposedly viable.

Just saying – I know there is a somewhat generational opposition to e-books, but I really believe that from both a writing and publishing perspective, it can be an exciting time, if one wants to look at it that way. With upheaval comes opportunity….:wink:

But we’re really off on a tangent now, so I’ll stop there.

[Col Mike]

#57223

Time for some of us to move into the 21st century. This afternoon Linda downloaded the software and the book in about 5 minutes.

Bruce is right the first chapter is a hoot.

Clay thanks this will help pass the cold nights. Now we just need to wait on Dave’s book and their two movies.:D

Mike

[Bernie Clancey]

#57283

[quote=colmike]Time for some of us to move into the 21st century. This afternoon Linda downloaded the software and the book in about 5 minutes.

Please send Linda to Nova Scotia. I tried for an hour to download it to my I-pad, but did not have any luck. I ain’t giving up yet, but it seems the modern conveniences are a little complicated for this traditional guy.

I’d like to get the e-version. Our forests have been decimated for the paper industry. Oh well, two pulp mills have closed so there can’t be much left for them to get.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#57307

Berniebac wrote: [quote=colmike]Time for some of us to move into the 21st century. This afternoon Linda downloaded the software and the book in about 5 minutes.

PM sent. 😉

[Clay Hayes]

#57322

I’m staying out of this debate.. But, the paperbacks will be print on demand like Bruce described. There’s no minimum order, no investment really. Just format, upload and that’s it. They’ll hopefully be available by next week sometime.

[Fallguy]

#57327

I got the e-book. This is my first, I am reading it on my PC. There is a comforting feeling looking at a full book case and seeing what you have read though. But I could not wait this time for print. No Kindle yet that do not for see happening for a while. Great read so far Thanks Clay:D

[wahoo]

#57366

great news thanks Clay and I wish you the best

[Mark Turton]

#57819

Print on demand sounds good, is there a parchment option?

I like to share books I have enjoyed and often lend or give away cant see this being possible with an ebook.

Packing a paperback is always useful for fire lighting.

Mark.

[Stephen Smiley]

#57864

Just downloaded the Kindle version to my phone. Col. Mike was right, less than 5 minutes for the totatl operation. This is my first book to my phone and I am no tech guy by any stretch, if I can do it……..

Anyway would still like to get a hard copy to share but will start reading my phone at lunch.

Keep em comming Clay!

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#57894

For anyone interested, here is a link to the free Kindle app, which you can run on a Mac or Windows PC, tablets, etc:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?docId=1000493771

Glad to hear there is going to be a print-on-demand option as well, Clay!

[Bunyan Morris]

#58021

Congratulations Clay. I look forward to reading it.

I enjoy teaching the art of book making to my high school art students. We study and create a variety of book forms from various cultures. There is romance in the quality of the feel and even smell of the printed page. Old book stores,thrift shops and garage sales are perfect venues to satisfy literary tactile needs. There is a permanence to printed books verses simulated light forms of books. Yet, I do enjoy the convenience of using my Kindle for many of the reasons already stated.

Portability and size are the first two conveniences that come to mind. I can tuck my Kindle in my coat pocket and take it anywhere. This is much easier than carrying a much larger printed version. Another plus is that many books can be legally downloaded free of charge.

Even though I advocate using an e-reader for convenience, I enjoy collecting books and keeping a library. Print versions of some of my favorite e-books also reside on a shelf in my home. Overall, a printed book is more pleasurable to read.

However, I don’t understand the complete dismissal by some of e-books as a reading tool. They are just something…yes…I’m about to say it…..new.:D

(something new that is affordable, practical and works)

No matter the delivery system, if kids and adults are reading it is good.

Congratulations again Clay!

[jason samkowiak]

#58285

Congrats on the book Clay!

I will be buy this when i get my kindle in a couple weeks. I am getting one free from my brother who does programing for them.

[Fallguy]

#58493

Excellent job Clay I just finished your book. You put the first arrow right in the bullseye!!!!!!!!!!! I look forward to your future writing. I did recognize a couple of the chapters from other places. And as with all good writing it was enjoyable to read them again and gain a new incite.:D

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#60273

Favorite excerpt from the book so far:

“Sometimes I wonder why I ignore obvious disadvantages to climb and sit in a tree such as this one. I’ve never really figured that out, but then again, I don’t think I really need to. There are a lot of nuances to why someone would shoot a wood bow, or sit in a fallen oak. Maybe the two are connected; both symptoms of the same affliction.”

[Stephen Graf]

#61341

I know this is supposed to be a thread about Clay’s book and it has turned into a thread about the merits of eReaders, but I just can’t help myself…

My wife has a kindle, and so I have had the chance to use it. She reads a lot more than I do, but it’s pulp stuff. Once she’s done with it, there’s no going back.

Me, I don’t care much for fiction. I like books by/about real people and real subjects. And I like to read them several times and sometimes (OMG) write something in the margin.

And if it is a good book, I want to know that I can keep it and always go back to it, like an old friend. And lastly I like to share good books with good friends. Sometimes I get them back, sometimes I have to rebuy them.

Which is the real crux of the problem for me. Kindle stuff can wink in and sadly, wink out. People think stuff on the internet is permanent. And maybe it is, for as long as it lasts. But my guess is that our “digital society” is marked for erasure. I just don’t see it lasting as long as Homer.

In the long run, for anything worth keeping, papyrus beats megabits.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#61640

Steve – I completely agree with you. I love the tactile experience of holding a book in my hand, the smell of old books, wandering through bookstores, etc.

My previous comments were really just to explain the practical perspective of someone trying to publish and get their words (or the words of others) out there in this day and age. Unfortunately, what people say they want, and what market forces will bear, for anything other than a guaranteed strong-seller, aren’t always the same. Hence the development of alternatives. Which, while they aren’t perfect, are accomplishing the goal of allowing people to produce exciting things in independent ways – this book of Clay’s being a good example.

I like books, but when it comes down to it, I like words and good writing even more, whether its delivered on dead trees, clay tablets or a Kindle. 😉

[skinner biscuit]

#63008

My paychecks are electronically deposited, I pay my bills online, and I downloaded Clays book on my kindle! Great read.:D

[William Warren]

#63083

Clay,

Good job on your latest book. It has the kind of stories I would enjoy reading more than once. Hope there will be more in the future.

Duncan

[Clay Hayes]

#12856

Hello all, the paperbacks are now available on amazon. Go to amazon and do the following: 1)select books in the drop down menu to the left of the search box. 2) search for traditional archery. 3) scoll down until you see the paperback version.

If you get it that way, it’ll help push it to the top in the searches. Thanks a bunch, ch

ps, thanks everyone for the great reviews.

[Anonymous]

#13847

Clay,

A fantastic book. Well done!

As for all lamenting the paper option – my wife works with old books every day. If you REALLY have to have a certain variation done on a print/bound book, it can be done… 😉

[Wexbow]

#21878

Well done Clay, a great achievement!

[James Harvey]

#24594

Clay, I just finished your book the other day and would like to add my congratulations to everyone elses.

There is a photo of you with a bear and flintlock rifle in the Winter 2011 Backcountry Journal. Is that the same one you mentioned in your book?

Jim

[Alexandre Bugnon]

#24971

I just bought the book and gave it a glance thru. Nice!

Congratulations, Clay! 5 stars coming atcha’!!:D

[Anonymous]

#25067

Clay Hayes wrote: Hello all, the paperbacks are now available on amazon. Go to amazon and do the following: 1)select books in the drop down menu to the left of the search box. 2) search for traditional archery. 3) scoll down until you see the paperback version.

If you get it that way, it’ll help push it to the top in the searches. Thanks a bunch, ch

ps, thanks everyone for the great reviews.

So, for those of us that will be in Denver… any chance on a signed copy? 😉

We need to get ours before you get famous and all, right?

[Clay Hayes]

#25549

I’ll have a stack there, as well as some t shirts.

[Clay Hayes]

#25551

ausjim wrote: Clay, I just finished your book the other day and would like to add my congratulations to everyone elses.

There is a photo of you with a bear and flintlock rifle in the Winter 2011 Backcountry Journal. Is that the same one you mentioned in your book?

Jim

nope, that’s another story..

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