Broadheads

[grizz69]

#6376

Has anyone used the Eclipse Werewolf broadheads? If so what is your opinion on them? I was thinking of trying the 125 grain ones, but figured i would get some feedback before purchasing them. I presently shoot the G5 Montec right now and was contemplating changing. Not sure if 2 blade vs 3 blade makes any difference.

[Col Mike]

#50732

Grizz

Read the Ashby library above. Then look at the discussion on that forum—then decide. 🙂

Semper Fi

Mike

[Dan Jackowiak]

#50799

I tried the glue on 2 blades a few years back. The weight was off 10 grs per head, I hear he got this fixed though. Then I tried the 150gr Werewolf broadhead single bevel, killed a cow elk with that head, they flew great and I really liked them. Then he made some changes to the werewolf design and the 150gr head thickness went from .050 to .035… that was it for me, I sent them back.

They do come sharper than hades though!

[Carl Brickey]

#51280

+1 ColMike. The penetration on single bevel 2 blades is unparalleled.

[David Petersen]

#51471

x 3 what ColMike said. There are also several Ashby articles over the years in TBM, some of which are quick-read summaries of the extensive research.

[Ralph]

#51491

Grizz, I’m not intending to start any debates here but there are a lots and lots of deer taken with “normal” set ups. I feel that a person will do great if he knows his equipment and his game as with any weapon or projectile he uses. I know s..t happens but that can happen to anything, big or normal.

With limitations of course. We have to be practical.

Just my thinkin, Ralph. 🙂

[Robin Conrads]

#51513

David Petersen wrote: x 3 what ColMike said. There are also several Ashby articles over the years in TBM, some of which are quick-read summaries of the extensive research.

Here is a link to the Ashby Library. The second selection will give you the articles as they were published in TBM.

Also, the question was 2 blade vs. 3 blade and experience with Eclipse. 😉

[wahoo]

#52150

Eclipse 2 blade broad heads are great heads and Blake is a great guy to work with , plus the heads have a lifetime guarantee. You can’t go wrong

[Jason Wesbrock]

#52621

grizz69 wrote: Has anyone used the Eclipse Werewolf broadheads? If so what is your opinion on them? I was thinking of trying the 125 grain ones, but figured i would get some feedback before purchasing them. I presently shoot the G5 Montec right now and was contemplating changing. Not sure if 2 blade vs 3 blade makes any difference.

I have heard great things about the Werewolf heads, although I have no firsthand experience with them. With respect to blade count, I’ve killed more than enough animals with 2-, 3-, and 4-blade heads to know they all work fine. I know two guys who put 160-grain Snuffers through bull mosse a few years ago, no problem. There are as many valid reasons for multiblade heads as there are for two-blade designs, so in the end it all comes down to what gives you the most confidence.

[David Petersen]

#52951

Good points, Jay. I am anxious to learn the proven facts about “the many valid reasons for multiblade heads as there are for two-blade designs” that you mention. Ashby’s work and my own experiences, and that of many others I’ve talked with, provide the evidence for two-blade superiority. I’m hoping you will now educate me and us about the proven advantages of multi-blades over two-blades? I try to keep an open mind. Thanks

[Col Mike]

#52964

Dave

Great end quote–he will be missed.

Jay I too would be interested in the independent research done on multiblade heads.

Mike

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#52967

grizz69 wrote: Has anyone used the Eclipse Werewolf broadheads? If so what is your opinion on them?

Grizz –

I have some Eclipse Werewolf heads, and while I haven’t taken an animal with them, I have shot them a fair bit, and they fly great, are well made and came very sharp out of the package.

[Vintage Archer]

#53109

David Petersen wrote: Good points, Jay. I am anxious to learn the proven facts about “the many valid reasons for multiblade heads as there are for two-blade designs” that you mention. Ashby’s work and my own experiences, and that of many others I’ve talked with, provide the evidence for two-blade superiority. I’m hoping you will now educate me and us about the proven advantages of multi-blades over two-blades? I try to keep an open mind. Thanks

JASON I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE OF BROADHEAD WAS AN ACE TWO BLADE. YOU MUST HAVE A RATIONAL FOR CHOOSING THE TWO BLADE.

I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT INCOUNTERED ANY RESEARCH SHOWING THAT THE THREE BLADE IS EQUIVALENT TO A TWO BLADE FOR PENETRATION

EVIDENTLY THERE IS. WOULD BE INTERESTED IN REVIEWING IT.

DAVEGREAT QUOTE …IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT WEARE MORE VOCAL ABOUT PEOPLES TALENT AFTER THEY PASS INSTEAD OF WHEN THEY WERE LIVING .

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC I ALSO HAVE HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE WEREWOLF BROADHEAD:D

[Dan Jackowiak]

#53221

Not to get off the subject at hand but I think I can help with this 3 blade verses 2 blade thing.

Earlier this year I picked up a couple of fresh cow shoulder blades from my local butcher. These babies were still wet like what would be found in a live animal. I proceeded to shoot 3 blades, 4 blades, single bevels, of various manufactures at 15 yards with my 54lb Morrison. Overall weight of the arrow was about 580.

Short 3 blade heads penetrated about 10″. Long 3 blade heads averaged 18″, vented 3 blades broke. 2 blades and 4 blades, although the bleeders would no longer cut butter, averaged 28″. Single bevels also averaged to the fletch.

However, the edge of one brand single bevel rolled over, 2 other single bevel brands broke, and another was shot repeatedly over and over trying to get it to break or get dull, it never did. This head is now my broadhead of choice.

But, one particular 3 blade penetrated to the fletch quite a few times and remained sharp enough to kill. But I understand that head has been discontinued, it was a Razorcap. The key I think is that the ferrule is a larger diameter than the arrow shaft, otherwise the shaft hangs up in the bone and stops penetration.

In almost all cases, when the real heavy part of the shoulder blade bone was hit, that was the end of it, very few heads made it through.

I did not shoot either one of my 150gr werewolfs because I only have two left.

[Jason Wesbrock]

#53640

vintage archer wrote: JASON I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE OF BROADHEAD WAS AN ACE TWO BLADE. YOU MUST HAVE A RATIONAL FOR CHOOSING THE TWO BLADE.

For the past 10 years my broadhead of choice has been a 125-grain Ace Standard. They will be on my arrows this season as well. My reasons for using them are quite simple. They mount straight, take and keep a fantastic edge, fly true, are incredibly tough, and (this is what puts it over the edge) are made by two of the absolutely finest folks in the traditional bowhunting industry.

Funny enough, for the first few years I shot Ace heads I frequently asked Bob Mayo when he was going to come out with a 4-blade head. I eventually stopped asking. I don’t think he has any plans to add one to his lineup, but if he ever did I’d probably use it.

I’m a big proponent of not fixing things that aren’t broken, and my hunting arrows fit that category. But I also know that just because something is right for me doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone. The world would be such a boring place if we all did the same things the same way with the same equipment.

[Vintage Archer]

#53728

J.Wesbrock wrote: [quote=vintage archer]JASON I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE OF BROADHEAD WAS AN ACE TWO BLADE. YOU MUST HAVE A RATIONAL FOR CHOOSING THE TWO BLADE.

For the past 10 years my broadhead of choice has been a 125-grain Ace Standard. They will be on my arrows this season as well. My reasons for using them are quite simple. They mount straight, take and keep a fantastic edge, fly true, are incredibly tough, and (this is what puts it over the edge) are made by two of the absolutely finest folks in the traditional bowhunting industry.

Funny enough, for the first few years I shot Ace heads I frequently asked Bob Mayo when he was going to come out with a 4-blade head. I eventually stopped asking. I don’t think he has any plans to add one to his lineup, but if he ever did I’d probably use it.

I’m a big proponent of not fixing things that aren’t broken, and my hunting arrows fit that category. But I also know that just because something is right for me doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone. The world would be such a boring place if we all did the same things the same way with the same equipment.

JASON I agree with you about Jan and Bob Mayo. They are not only great people but personal friends of mine. Bob does a lot of machine work for me. We are in regular contact.He has a wealth of knowledge and always willing to help.:D:D:D

[Shorthair]

#60945

2blade wrote: Not to get off the subject at hand but I think I can help with this 3 blade verses 2 blade thing.

Earlier this year I picked up a couple of fresh cow shoulder blades from my local butcher. These babies were still wet like what would be found in a live animal. I proceeded to shoot 3 blades, 4 blades, single bevels, of various manufactures at 15 yards with my 54lb Morrison. Overall weight of the arrow was about 580.

Short 3 blade heads penetrated about 10″. Long 3 blade heads averaged 18″, vented 3 blades broke. 2 blades and 4 blades, although the bleeders would no longer cut butter, averaged 28″. Single bevels also averaged to the fletch.

However, the edge of one brand single bevel rolled over, 2 other single bevel brands broke, and another was shot repeatedly over and over trying to get it to break or get dull, it never did. This head is now my broadhead of choice.

But, one particular 3 blade penetrated to the fletch quite a few times and remained sharp enough to kill. But I understand that head has been discontinued, it was a Razorcap. The key I think is that the ferrule is a larger diameter than the arrow shaft, otherwise the shaft hangs up in the bone and stops penetration.

In almost all cases, when the real heavy part of the shoulder blade bone was hit, that was the end of it, very few heads made it through.

I did not shoot either one of my 150gr werewolfs because I only have two left.

Please share what 2 blade heads rolled and which one performed well enough to be your broadhead of choice. I know some folks may get in a twist about mentioning brand names but knowledge tends to make us all wiser.

[Robin Conrads]

#60967

Fair enough, but if the manufacturers are our advertisers, I’d like to give them a chance to comment as well. 2blade, it’s your call.

[Dan Jackowiak]

#12689

Well ok I reckon. I don’t have any idea who is a sponsor and who isn’t so I’ll list em all.

Grizzly edge rolled over, next one broke.

Abowyers tips rolled over

Grizzly stick Maasai heads broke but still managed penetration to the fletch.

Magnus stinger penetrated to the fletch but bleeders were like butter, main blade still sharp

Steelforce Phathead(steel ferrules) penetrated to the fletch and bleeders became useless after about 5 shots, main blade still sharp.

Single bevel steelforce with aluminum ferrules, blade held up, ferrules spread out, didn’t break but blade no longer was aligned true and flopped around.

VPA Penetrator penetrated to the fletch but did develop small nicks on the edge after a few shots.

Tusker Concorde, 155grs mounted on an aluminum ferrule was shot repeatedly, around a dozen times I reckon in an attempt to get it to break… it never did and the blade remained as sharp as when I started. Penetrated to the fletch every time.

Did not test the Tuffhead.

3 blades:

Vpa long head, 18″ of penetration.

Vpa long head, vented, broke.

Vpa short head, 10″ penetration.

Nap Razorcap, penetrated to the fletch, no damage.

Now on the vpa 3 blades the ferrule size is smaller than my .290 shafts with brass inserts, so they arrows appeared to hang up going thru the bone. The razorcap ferrule is much larger than the arrow so they did not hang up.

Hope that helps

[CareyE]

#15666

I use the 200gr Werewolf and my picture shows the result. He was ten yards broadside and I got total penetration with a Shrew Recurve that pulled 48lbs. The blood trail was visible from my tree stand and he went about 80 yards. They fly and work well for me.

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