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Amigos y amigas — this report was sent to me by a friend, Kirby Kohler, who doesn’t have internet:
Without question, I enjoyed the best elk hunt of my life in New Mexico this year. On the night of the fourth day while in the tent, I told my partner that we could quit right now and it would be the best hunt of my life. With the future unknown I added to grand hunt by arrowing a nice bull the following morning.
The bull I killed came in to two cow calls and a little bull scream. He charged across an aspen bench that had been my core area over the previous several days, and stood stately in front of me, complete with irritated eyes and drool dangling from his lips and dripping from his nostrils. We had a 45-second period where it was just he and me separated only by the 3″ fir I was standing behind and the mountain air. Once I was at half draw and had to let down because I was shaking so bad. To my surprise the bull finally gave in and turned and began to bugle while at 14 yards. It was then that I sent the arrow through his chest. He bolted and I called to stop him and he stopped, looked my way, and died. He went only 50 yards and it took only 6-8 seconds for him to expire.
The Abowyer Brown Bear single-bevel and 680-grain shaft certainly did the job. The arrow penetrated 27 inches with just the nock and a little bit of the fletching visible. Extreme FoC is something special when it comes to lethality! I haven’t even gotten this good of penetration with whitetails shooting the same bow but standard arrows. My pack out turned out to be over 5 miles one way. It took me the next two days to get him out on my own, and it was amazingly difficult, but I enjoyed every second.
The path of the arrow through the bull was quite impressive and I’m sure I will get a scolding from someone. But under the duress of having a drooling, irritated bull at 14 yards, I was all predator. That is the only way I can rationalize my behavior. The bull was facing me and when he turned his head and neck to my right to bugle in that direction, his chest angled slightly to the right. The arrow entered between the brisket and the right humerus, cutting a rib in half and then passing through the anterior lobe of the right lung, through the anterior part of the heart, and through the posterior end of the left lung, and lodged in the 12th rib on his left side. All but the nock and an inch of the fletching was inside the animal. By this path, you can tell the animal was slightly angling toward me. I will never say that I planned on taking this shot; it was instinct and autopilot taking over.
The arrow was a Traditional Only Easton carbon shaft that totaled 680 grains. The arrow with the fletchings and shaft equaled 305 grains and the broadhead (175 gr brown bear), adapter (100 gr steel), and insert (100 gr brass) totaled 375 grains.
As I was quartering the animal, I thought about documenting the whole process with photos of the quartering process, but unfortunately I did not. Since I was committed to quartering the animal and packing him out myself, I was pretty focused on the job at hand. I had to pack him out over 5 miles one way. I was pretty much a basket case!
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Dave,
Tell your friend Kirby congratulations for me. Now if I could find time to do some serious hunting.
Michael.
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CONGRATS, To Kirby for us.
(Sorry about earlier, I read too fast,lol)I can only imagine the adrenaline that would be flowing with that situation. I KNOW WHAT I GET LIKE WITH WHITETAIL! LOL!
One of the attributes of the Ashby setup that got my attention was the ABILITY to take shots, like Kirby’s, that for decades I have passed up when I lacked the confidence of enough penetration and felt I was putting the animal at high risk of a non-lethal wound.
Robert Ruark said best a long time ago, but in other context.
“USE ENOUGH GUN”!!
Not the angle most of us prefer but quite doable with a fine tuned, heavy, High FOC, sharp arrow. Nay sayers can spout all they want, the PROOF is in the pudding, IMHO.
Some of us old timers have passed up certain shots SO LONG that it may take a bit of time and more experience with our setups, to feel confident on shots that were previously passed on. Human nature doesn’t allow for an easy change, it seems.
Pretty tough agruing with RESULTS though.
It’s not a shot I’LL pass up on a close whitetail.
Happy for Kirby, yet don’t envey that packing job! 😯
Once again, JOB WELL DONE!
(Except no dang blasted photos for US! 😆 )Steve Sr.
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Thought I might point one thing out to everybody…the hunter was a friend of Dave’s…Kirby Kohler. Re-read the first sentence in Dave’s post. Thus no pics.
Michael
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Steve Sr. — the “taking shots we otherwise wouldn’t” due to the radically increased horsepower of a solid Ashby arrow set-up is indeed a new and major ethical issue we should all openly and honestly discuss. Thanks for bringing it up, as it’s clearly happening, for better or worse. Note that Kirby says the close range, 14 yards, was the only reason he dared it. (And Michael, there is one great kill shot I’ll post for Kirby once I get it on Photobucket, but no bloody details of arrow results.) My own hunt falls into this same category, insofar as I shot a bull on the last day of the season from 6 feet as it whirled to run. Would I have taken that same shot without the confidence of an Ashby setup? Probably, due to close range and last-day pressures. Though I’m not proud to say so I know from experience that we all are susceptible to getting “over-excited” not to mention over optimistic when the adrenaline coctail goes down. But would the story have had a successful end with my pre-Ashby arrow setups? I seriously doubt it. What a slippery subject is personal hunting eithers! Esp. if we try to be honest with ourselves and the world. Anyhow, details with photos on my hunt from an Ashby pov to come soon. Almost happy hour here. Here’s a “hero” pic for now.
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Dave you been at happy hour all night 😯 now on with it, if you can still type.:lol:
I think the knowledge of efoc and the Ashbey study’s are changing some of the thinking about our equipment and the standard shot placement.
I am never advocating taking garbage shots, just KILLING shots, if that bull was facing the other direction it’s a perfect quartering away shot, exiting at where the entrance is, you just need to know what your equipments limitations are and hunt accordingly.
Ok Dave, lets hear the details .
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Well, I’ve been checking daily waiting for that pic to show up… Congratulations Dave! Now about the story???
Also, I hope you guys don’t mind but I invited a compound shooter to share his experience with his Ashby inspired set-up with us here on Tradbow. Yes, he was using a wheel bow but a very heavy shaft and an Abowyer Brown Bear. Took a very large bodied Iowa doe with incredible results.
Ron
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Congrats Dave, I look forward to hearing the rest of the story and how the equipment performed.
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Dave,
Very nice bull. Hopefully I can find something that looks remotely like that by the time season here comes to a close. Look forward to the story behind him.
Michael.
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