Arrow Speed

[Dennis]

#5416

I just ordered a new bow – 55 lbs at my draw. Because I expect it to be faster than my 40 year old bow I decided to bump up my arrows as well. I have been shooting 580 grain Aluminums with an FOC of around 15.5%. I put some 100 grain brass inserts into my arrows and they now weigh 654 grains with an FOC of 19.5%. Just for fun I shot both types through a chronograph at a local shop and was surprised that my old Bear TD at 55lbs (measured) only gave me 163 fps for the lighter shaft and 155 for the heavier one. Recognizing that speed is in the mind of the shooter, am I even in the ballpark? What kind of speeds are you guys (and girls) getting?

[Ed Ashby]

#40804

Arrrow speed is a vastly over rated factor. Most of my setups give velocities from the 150 fps to 165 fps range, and that’s been fast enough to catch up with an awful lot of animals! 😀

Ed

[Jason Wesbrock]

#40899

Depending on your draw length (27 or 28 at most), those number are probably about right. I have a 32″ draw, so my speed numbers will naturally be a touch higher than normal. That being said, my primary hunting bow pulls 56# @ 32″ and sends a 500 grain arrow right at 200 fps. A good friend of mine pulls mid-60s at 30.5″ and shoots a 480-grain arrow in the low 220s. Both of us shoot through whatever quarry we hunt, so penetration concerns are moot.

[Dennis]

#41065

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Arrrow speed is a vastly over rated factor. Most of my setups give velocities from the 150 fps to 165 fps range, and that’s been fast enough to catch up with an awful lot of animals! 😀

Ed

Thanks for your comments Dr. Ed. I feel a lot more comfortable with my setup and I can usually hit what I’m shooting at with it so the new setup should be even better.

Dennis

[Troy Breeding]

#41176

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Arrrow speed is a vastly over rated factor. Most of my setups give velocities from the 150 fps to 165 fps range, and that’s been fast enough to catch up with an awful lot of animals! 😀

Ed

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#41185

Troy, That little tike reminds me of the general complex of many on other trad sites.

[Ed Ashby]

#41186

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#41240

Other than his nasty left ear, look at the symmetry of that head. He’s also sporting a nice butt cut with his horn hair do.

BOY…would I like to see if I could bury my arrow in him. Acutally, I am really curious to see how much arrow, if any, would exit him.

[Phantom_SixZero]

#63496

I have a hoyt Game master with 60#@ 28 1/2 draw

my arrow speed is running 223

[Troy Breeding]

#63525

Phantom_SixZero wrote: I have a hoyt Game master with 60#@ 28 1/2 draw

my arrow speed is running 223

lord have mercy!!!! what weight arrow are you shooting to get those speeds?:shock:

I’ve shot dozens of different bow with a 29+” draw and different weight arrows and have only broken the 200fps once. That was shooting a Adcock ACSCX 53#@29″ using 330gr arrow. That setup did yeild 233fps and only shot that arrow twice. I worried it was too hard on the bow.:D

I had a 57#@29″ Game Master and even with a 450gr arrow it wouldn’t come close to that.:cry:

Troy

[Phantom_SixZero]

#63569

Troy Breeding wrote: [quote=Phantom_SixZero]I have a hoyt Game master with 60#@ 28 1/2 draw

my arrow speed is running 223

lord have mercy!!!! what weight arrow are you shooting to get those speeds?:shock:

I’ve shot dozens of different bow with a 29+” draw and different weight arrows and have only broken the 200fps once. That was shooting a Adcock ACSCX 53#@29″ using 330gr arrow. That setup did yeild 233fps and only shot that arrow twice. I worried it was too hard on the bow.:D

I had a 57#@29″ Game Master and even with a 450gr arrow it wouldn’t come close to that.:cry:

Troy 320gr arrows. and I was told by one of the pro shop staff from hoyt. it’s not hard on the bow’s at all. it was a real shocker. when i first saw that speed. thought it was wrong till I kept shooting. my life long friend has the same set up. he pulling pull around the same

[Ralph]

#63574

Am I figuring right? 6.22 gr. per # of bow weight?

[Phantom_SixZero]

#63577

R2 wrote: Am I figuring right? 6.22 gr. per # of bow weight?

are talking wood or carbon?

[Troy Breeding]

#63582

For and arrow to be that light it has to be carbon.

If your finding woods that light you are going to be swamped by tons of folks wanting to know about them.

Troy

[Phantom_SixZero]

#63583

Troy Breeding wrote: For and arrow to be that light it has to be carbon.

If your finding woods that light you are going to be swamped by tons of folks wanting to know about them.

Troy

I shoot only carbon. lol yeah could see that.

[Troy Breeding]

#63588

If Hoyt says it’s fine then all I can say is be careful…:roll:

I’ve seen several high dollar bows leave this world with a “bang!!” when shooting that light of an arrows.

Troy

[Ralph]

#63716

A bow don’t know the difference between a gr. of wood or a gr. of carbon.

Blazin fast but like Troy says, I be watchin.

[newbreedarcher]

#63817

Phantom:

Be careful with that brother. Personally, I don’t take council on a subject that important unless I’m face to face with ’em. That way, I know who to punch if it turns out to be bad information:)just kidding! But do be careful, hate to see someone’s pride and joy die:cry:

[shadow32]

#63843

I’ll stick with my wood ones. Once you can hit what you’re aiming at, it’s a matter of punch through power. My wood arrows seem to have the perfect balance of speed/trajectory and enough weight to maintain the necessary power to pass through both ribs and flesh. As I keep my shots to 30 yards or less, I feel I have the perfect balance of the two.

[Phantom_SixZero]

#63971

Ok went to the indoor range shot a few 400gr my bow speed is now 219. was talking to to my long time friend behind the counter and a TB’er him self. said that I have been lucky with no damage so far. so he is going to fletch a 12 pack for me in the 400gr. I can live with 219fps. thinking about it probly why I’ve gone through so many strings. 💡

[Jason Wesbrock]

#63976

Phantom_SixZero wrote: 320gr arrows. and I was told by one of the pro shop staff from hoyt. it’s not hard on the bow’s at all. it was a real shocker. when i first saw that speed. thought it was wrong till I kept shooting. my life long friend has the same set up. he pulling pull around the same

Some limbs are built to take it. From my understanding, part of the R&D behind the Winex limbs was either a 1,000 or 10,000 dry fire test (I forget which). They held up fine. That’s one of the reasons I started shooting them a few years ago. That and they’re excellent reputation among Olympic shooters, who shoot very light gpp arrows thousands of times per week in training.

I shot indoor 3D with a buddy of mine today, and it’s always fun shooting next to a guy who makes my 200 fps arrows look slow. He’s using TradTech Extreme limbs and actually is going to even lighter arrows for 3D. He talked to TradTech about whether or not they’d warranty the limbs down to 5 gpp. They said no problem. A mutual friend of ours shoots at or slightly under 5 gpp for IBO. He’s never had a limb failure.

Again, not all limbs are built to take that kind of stress. So it’s always best to talk to the manufacturer and get their opinion when doing such things. I shoot around 9 gpp with my bow, but to be honest, I’d have no reservations going down to 6gpp for 3D if I felt so inclined. But since I like to shoot the same setup for everything (hunting or competitive target) I’m staying with what I have.

[David Petersen]

#64010

Phantom — I guess I missed why you want to shoot darts at such speeds?

Shadow — welcome aboard!

Dave

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#64023

Every time I see one of those bumper stickers that says “Speed kills” I want to make one that says, “Momentum kills.”

[Troy Breeding]

#64035

There are afew manufactors that will warranty their limbs down to 5GPP. However, they want warranty them should you break a string and cause limb failier. Their reply in the past when things like this happened was the shooter should have been more aware of the string condition and wouldn’t cover such negelect.

Troy

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