Are these broadheads legal???

[lyagooshka]

#5544

I picked these broadheads up quite some time ago. I planned to use them if/when I got more into traditional archery. Well, I made the plunge, and some arrows. I am proud of my aluminum stix. It was fun, and not just because of the fletch-tite fumes. 😉 I was talking to someone about broadheads, and I showed them what I had. To my surprise, they said to check with my state as they are not legat to hunt with in most states. They are 175g and with the 100g inserts would give me a really nice FOC weight. Does anyone (especially you PA guys) have any info? These are Simmons (I believe Sharks). I did not see anything in the rule book about them. I believe the person I spoke with sait the back (bottom, ferrule {sp?}, whatever) flaring out is the issue. Help please! Be well.

Alex

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[Rogue]

#42085

Those would be considered barbed by Oregons definition and wouldn’t be legal here.

Bill

[Etter1]

#42134

Rogue wrote: Those would be considered barbed by Oregons definition and wouldn’t be legal here.

Bill

Yep, depends on the state. I shoot Simmons Tree Sharks. They are legal here, but have a similar swell at the bottom that some states consider barbed.

[Bruce Smithhammer]

#42194

They wouldn’t fly in Idaho (pun intended). 😉

[Brennan Herr]

#42284

Archery Seasons: Long, recurve, compound bows and crossbows

with broadheads of cutting-edge design. An arrow and crossbow bolt must be equipped with a broadhead not more than three inches long and at least 7/8 inches wide, with at least two cutting edges on the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface.

This is straight from the PA Game Commission Hunting and trapping digest…looks like you are good to go! But if you want I know a few green shirts (wardens) I can call but I will just tell them a “friend” is asking!

[Mark Turton]

#42472

Barbed arrows legal or not might be one for the ethics committee?

Mark.

[bamboo]

#42621

brennanherr wrote: Archery Seasons: Long, recurve, compound bows and crossbows

with broadheads of cutting-edge design. An arrow and crossbow bolt must be equipped with a broadhead not more than three inches long and at least 7/8 inches wide, with at least two cutting edges on the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface.

makes the simmons seem legal—BUT the wording makes me wonder about 3-blades!?!

[Jason Wesbrock]

#42816

Bamboo,

That wording is there to outlaw heads like the Crimson Talon with helical blades.

[Stumpkiller]

#43281

Wouldn’t be legal in NY. They’re barbed.

[William Warren]

#43820

Barbed heads not legal in NC either. I’m not an expert on Simmons heads but it seems like their newer models address that issue. Those look like an older model head, SB-40 maybe?

Having already made the investment you could modify them. I’d take some of the rear delta off with a file flattenening the “barbed” profile and possibly clip the “barbs” to 45 degree angle with the bench grinder or a dremel tool. Just be sure you don’t take so much off that the overall width is less than 7/8″ which seems to be the minimum standard broadhead width of most State Game Agencys.

[David Coulter]

#45628

I don’t know about the barbs, but as stated in PA it’s no more than 3″, which also makes a Tuffhead illegal. That does not make sense. Perhaps all broadheads were shorter when the rules were written and they just didn’t want spears. Anyway, it’s worth writing to the commission and asking for an update. dwc

[lyagooshka]

#46256

brennanherr, thanks for the info. I looked it up in the digest and, like you, didn’t find anything about the barbs. If you happen across one of your WCO friends, see what they have to say. I would be interested. The WCO I know down here is a little miffed at me right now (I haven’t been teaching as many THE classes as I planned on). Pothunter brings up a good point as well about the ethics. I could sharpen these heads to be obsidian-sharp, but a bad hit could make quite a bit of suffering for the animal whereas a non-barbed broadhead would have just slid out and the animal would trot off and be back at 100% an hour later. I never even thought about it that way. Remember, I got these heads back when I had training wheels on my arrow-launching device. 😆 Anyway, thank you all for the input. I may try to modify them but I think it will be more trouble than it’s worth (anyone looking for a project, let me know). DWC, I know there are quite a few strange rules that PA has held onto. Only recently could I buy a bottle of wine on a Sunday (and I bet that was only because of the threat of privatization since you could do it in any of the 6 bordering states). And of course I have my weekend off, but heaven forbid I try to look for a new car on Sunday. Anyway, the 3” rule may be like that, but it might also have a reason. I am only thinking that at some point someone tried to hurl a 5# 12” broadhead at an animal and made a mess. Who knows? Anyway, be well all.

Alex

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[Brennan Herr]

#46365

Alex,

Forwarded the pic and got the green light. Meets the requirments! Post pics when u hit a deer with it.

[lyagooshka]

#46416

brennanherr,

I appreciate it. I know these broadheads were at one time recommended by Byron Ferguson. I forget if it was in his “become the arrow” or in a faq on his website. Thanks again for the help. Be well.

Alex

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[Jason Wesbrock]

#46522

Alex,

If I recall correctly, it was the Simmons Interceptors Byron wrote about in Become the Arrow.

[lyagooshka]

#46527

You may be correct. I have to go look it up now. 😀 Either way, I will think about using them in an actual hunting situation as someone mentioned the “e” word (ethics). Input on THAT aspect would be helpful/interesting. Be well.

Alex

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