A good product hits the market

[Ed Ashby]

#5078

A much needed product has just hit the market. It is one-piece inserts/broadhead adaptors MADE OF STEEL. I’ve only done preliminary testing on prototypes of these, but even that tiny amount of testing verified that they are far stronger than a steel BH adaptor used with a barss insert.

At the moment only 2 sizes are available: One in .203″ diameter, for the Axis shaft. It weights in at 198 grains. The other is in .246″ diameter, which fits the Gold Tip and other shafts having this common shaft inide diameter. It weighs 236 grains.

These one-piece steel inserts/broadhead tapers not only aid the arrow’s structural integrity, they will also help with FOC.

You can view them at: http://www.traditionalarcherysolutions.com and here’s an active link: http://traditionalarcherysolutions.bubbaspc.com/traditionalarcherysolutions/index.asp

Disclaimer: No, just like every other archery company and its products I don’t have any financial connection with this company, or any of its products either! Just alerting everyone to a another ‘ performing better product’.

Ed

[MontanaFord]

#36995

Good deal. I may have to look into these when I get some spare change. The fewer pieces to move around, the better, in my opinion. This will help eliminate a potential “weak link).

Michael

[Bert]

#37011

Thanks Doc for your continued explorations of EFOC and ultra/EFOC and the equipment and processes involved- looks like good kit for my carbons and aluminums. We’ll just have to locate some depleted uranium wire for David’s woodies!
Bert

[Stephen Graf]

#37920

3Rivers has an insert like this in aluminum or brass. I think the brass ones would come pretty close to doing as good a job as the steel ones, at a fraction of the cost. OOOH baby those are expensive!!!

I have considered these before, but my problem is that I need to pull double duty from my arrows. I need to put field points, blunts, and broadheads on the arrows.

Another problem is travel. I have been asked to remove the broadheads from my arrows at the airport several times. So now I just keep my broadheads in a leather wallet in my suitcase. I use a metal stamp to number the broadheads, and a sharpie to number my arrows. So match up is no problem.

For me, a steel broadhead adapter and a brass insert are the best compromise. If it wasn’t for real life getting in the way though, I would agree that those steel adapters would be sweet!

[Ed Ashby]

#38292

Steve, even from the limited testing I was able to do on the prototype steel one-piece adaptor/inserts I can assure you they are markedly stronger than those made from brass. As for aluminim, it’s no contest at all.

I’m pretty certain that we’ll see steel screw-in inserts in the not too distant future. One area that would have to be address is the potential for rust (between the threads of the broadhead adaptor and the threads in the insert). The very fact that this problem is being looked at, and different potential cures considered (such as the use of different steel alloys) tells me that a steel insert accepting screw-in adaptors (or broadheads) is being considered.

Ed

[Patrick]

#12822

Abowyer now makes a titanium broadhead adapter:

http://www.abowyer.com/adapters_titanium.html
Practically giving them away!:shock:

[Bert]

#13561

Patrick- Those titaniums look slick, but I’m still holding out for depleted uranium BH adaptors- you know I think with super-duper carbons, real barred turkey fletching, lighted nocks, and a 30 buck broadhead and other assorted accessories, we should be able to get the cost of an arrow up to around 50 dollars per unit. And we all know that the more something costs the better it is!
For the poor DIY, if you want to try some steel adaptors and don’t have same, I carefully ground some 125 gr. field points on my handy belt sander(you could hand file if you have the patience of a saint), cut a couple of concentric circles( for glue adhesion) with my equally handy dremel tool and epoxied them with JB weld to some 160gr. Grizzlies. Let it dry a while, then roll test on a flat surface, make any adjustments and leave it overnight- worked great and the adaptors came in around 119 grains.
When the Hand of God somehow moves my arrows out the target area into the 1/2″ plywood garage wall backstop- I mean, it’s nothing of my doing I assure you!- I have to take a block of wood, a hammer and a vice-grip to pull the heads. Since this has, for some unaccountable reason, occured more than once, I have been most impressed with the Grizzlies and JB weld compound ability to resist punishment. No bending in the steel BH adaptors either, though I’ve managed to ‘tweak’ a few aluminums.
Good shooting-Bert

[Ed Zachary]

#13595

From Bert – “For the poor DIY, if you want to try
some steel adaptors and don’t have same,
I carefully ground some 125 gr. field
points on my handy belt sander”

Ah, the sheer genius of simplicity! Great idea Bert, thanks! Hhhmmmmm….maybe I could grind me a 5º taper on a field point, using my taper jig I use for woodies? Chuck a 175 grain 22/64″ diameter field point onto a correct sized aluminium arrow shaft, grind away with the jig-sander-disc? May take awhile but worth a try, save a few $$$$$$, light the garage on fire with the spark shower :D:cry::roll::wink:
I could use a little extra heat here anyways.

[Bert]

#13711

Ed- More like ‘necessity is the mother-no, handmaiden- of invention’! While I admire all the wonderfully machined adaptors and entrepreneurs who create and sell them, as a more-and-more dedicated DIYer, I find myself enjoying the creative process and possible solutions with basic hand and simple power tools to be immensely satisfying.
A stroll down the screw and nut aisles of your local Ace or True Value- you know, the one with all the bins- will yield affordable treasures in steel, brass, aluminum and others that, with minor modifications, can be used, esp. in EFOC, to fulfill our needs.
WARNING1- If you’re a complete klutz do not attempt this at home! Wear appropiate safety equipment and don’t burn down the garage- it makes your better half very angry! Even the dog will growl at you.
Most of all have fun and report any ‘ah ha’s’ to us fellow tinkerers and also ‘ah cr-p, this sucker didn’t turn out’ so we don’t have to repeat, ad nauseum, your stupid mistakes with our ‘not yet successful-may require some tweaking’ experiments.
For example, do not attempt to solder a brass tube(outsert) to the back of a BH(thanks Hiram) using a 2018 aluminum shaft and homemade steel adaptor as a centering device- think of a monkey and a football along with a stream of invectives and expletives as you find, when trying to extract said centering device, everything solidly soldered together in one unyielding mass- back to square one!
Stay warm wherever you are-Bert

[Ed Zachary]

#14551

Well I just perused my 3Rs and KK catalogues, and discovered they sell “100% steel” and stainless steel screw-in BH adapters, respectively. I’m re-thinking this whole bag of hammers and I’ll probably wink out and just buy them, I hate fartin’ round with broadhead alignment. These are the newer adapters with sturdier walls at the tapers I believe.

[sapcut]

#17130

These were 200 gr. field points. Now they are 160 gr. steel adapters with 200 Grizz mamma jammas spinning perfectly.

[Bert]

#18009

Alright Sapcut! 360 grains of sharpened, spinning death!
What shaft you going to put them on? EFOC? And what launcher(bow) do you plan to use?
Thought we had Ed on board the DIY train for a while there, but see what happens when you open a catalog?!- just kiddin’, I love catalogs.
Excellent pictures- the only two mods I make to my Grizzlys is to change the point to a COI( cut on impact) ala Dr. Ed Ashby and carefully file, on the same side as the existing bevel, a small bevel on the back of the blades- amazing how it helps pulling these stubborn heads out of a foam target.
Thanks for the report and keep DIYing!- Bert

[sapcut]

#18070

I will put these heads on a GT Ultralight 300. It is 827 grains and 32.9% Ultra-EFOC. Launched by my Black Widow PSAX 71@31.
I cut and pasted 50 grains and increased FOC by .6% from 32.3 to 32.9%.
I took away 50 gr. of lead from behind the insert (being closer to fulcrum) and then replaced the 50 gr. by using modified 160 gr. adapter and heavier broadhead with actual weight of 224 gr. including lead in ferrule above adapter(being farther from fulcrum).
Total weight being the same but managing the weight getting it as far front as possible maximizes FOC.

Richie

[sapcut]

#20163

Sapcut wrote: These were 200 gr. field points. Now they are 160 gr. steel adapters with 200 Grizz mamma jammas spinning perfectly.

160 gr. steel adapters
If anyone is interested I can make more and sell for $12/doz shipped.

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