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I’m still shooting woods but they weigh a total of 740 grains with the tip in place. I always use two bladed heads. The last couple of years I have been shooting single beveled heads. I have noticed the improved penetration. I am now looking at the efoc thing. When hunting elk I always want penetration over large, wide heads. There are times when you need the penetration. Usually due to an animal moving at the shot or some other unplanned for problem. Gary