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All I can say is this.. I found some aluminum arras from my compound days.. noted the fletch (vanes) were straight, and meant to shoot cock down through my old rest. now, I tried it cock up, changed to a 145gr tip, and I am amazed to tell you.. the arrow shoots, with NO SOUND. now, I know the spine is a bit much for my longbows, but, the vane travels between the space of my rest mat, and my riser wall (remember Cock UP) so the…5oclock vane is the “business” vane on the release. UNBELIEVABLE. zero…noSOUND. I’m gonna pursue this..thats for sure!!!