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Wow, 13 shots per kill, 21 shots per kill. Who are these guys? I hardly ever shoot more than once. I think they need to practice more. I also shoot heavier bows with heavy arrows and two blade heads exclusively. I once hit an elk right in front of the hip with a zwickey delta and a 700 grain arrow out a 65 lb. bow. The elk was severely quartering away when the arrow hit. It went through most of the stomach, up through the chest and came out alongside the neck. I watched it drop. Most of the time my arrow goes through elk and sometimes I don’t find the arrow, but I do find the elk. Sometimes I don’t make it out the other side but I’m always glad for the penetration. I wish I would have tried the single bevels a long time ago. Not just because of the increase in mechanical advantage but also because of the excellent steel that really holds an edge. I have also played around with carbons. They really fly good. I just love wood. Besides, I have hundreds of them made up. Gary