I used one for a season and sold it. Never liked the load lifters that are too low to work correctly(no lift at all) with heavy loads like elk quarters. The lumbar area of frame was too straight for MY back and “dug in” through the hipbelt no matter how I adjusted it. The frame/harness can be had cheap in military surplus stores(75 bucks?). Another thing is that it is HARD to sell if you don’t like it. I recomend Kifaru,Mystery Ranch, or other name brand packs that are easier to sell or trade and work way better. Of all my previous packs it was my least favorite.Sorry, I did not say what you wanter to hear.