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    • David Coulter
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        June 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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        #6275

        So you guys were pretty well successful at getting heavy, single bevel broadheads into the markert. Now for the sake of consistency in practice, maybe you can put a bug out for a heavy Judo or judo-like head for roving. I can’t take credit for killing many of the stumps I shoot, so penetration isn’t the issue here, but consistency is. dwc

      • Bruce Smithhammer
          June 5, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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          #49656

          Check out the VPA Thumpers. You can get them all the way up to 250gr. They’re solid.

        • David Coulter
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            June 5, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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            #49660

            Hi Smith,

            They do look solid. I tried some hex heads for stumping a couple of years ago and after about three shots I gave them up. I think a head like this would be excellent for shooting game, but not so much for stumping. The problem was that the hex head didn’t penetrate at all and resulted in smashed arrows. The judos penetrate a little bit, helping to scrub off some of the energy.

            That thumper looks like it would easily take care of a squirrel or rabbit though. Thanks, dwc

          • Bruce Smithhammer
              June 5, 2012 at 1:44 pm
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              #49679

              I agree that Judos offer some shock absorption, but I think that’s probably going to be an issue with any heavy head (200-300+ gr.) when it comes to an abrupt stop by striking a solid object. Carbon collars help.

              I use a thin slice of surgical tubing (or a small rubber “O” ring) that slides onto the shaft of my point/head, and sits in between the head and the insert when the head is tightened down. This offers some shock absorption, and with broad heads, it also allows you to tune the orientation a bit without danger of the head being loose.

            • David Coulter
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                June 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm
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                #49701

                Hey Smith,

                I’m putting collars on both end of my stumping arrows and getting great mileage out of them. I used to use the O rings to keep the heads from unscrewing, but found that I was bending the adapters often. That was with aluminum, but I have bent a steel adapter, just once, and I think maybe it wasn’t screwed in tight.

                All of this is just a little more than splitting hairs I think. In actual hunting range I see little, if any, difference in impact on the target between heavy and lighter arrows. thanks, dwc

              • Bruce Smithhammer
                  June 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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                  #49760

                  DWC –

                  Even if you’re not noticing a difference on impact between lighter arrows and heavier ones, there definitely is a difference. It’s a large part of the advantage of EFOC setups – increased impact/penetration as a result of increased forward weight.

                  Which is also why you might run into occasional durability issues with heavier stumping setups as well. With a 300 gr. head and 24% FOC, I try to pick my stumps carefully when shooting at closer distances.

                • David Coulter
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                    June 5, 2012 at 7:04 pm
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                    #49906

                    Hey SmithH,

                    I was speaking mainly of location of impact. I do notice better penetration and impact on stumps and branches. I actually had more problems with arrow damage before I started messing with the FOC, but shooting aluminum would account for that.

                    I bought the collars, but then didn’t use them at first. A split shaft got me to put one on the front. I had to see a nock split to believe that little plastic thing could damage a carbon shaft, but now I put them on the back of the stumping arrows, too. dwc

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