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    • Steve Sr.
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        Yep…..EFOC on woodies? hmmmm 😕 We’ve batted this around and most agree…….ugh. Pretty tough!

        NEVER SAY DIE! 😆

        Most of us have tried……..and tried. Added rods in the front of shafts, etc etc.

        Then along came the Tuffhead and my old and normally BORED brain started whirling anew, especially with the up and coming 300 grain Tuffheads!

        May be “old news” to some but FOC of over 20 percent IS possible…..I just didnt put the total package together in the right form since it takes several characterists (IMHO) to make an EFOC woodie.

        NOT the UEFOC that is so much in the conversations now but for us ol’ time woodie lovers…..hey, Ill take what I can get!

        I “happened” (aka searched and searched and searched) for some AFFORDABLE (there is always a catch!) TAPERED, FOOTED cedar shafts of heavier spine (I shoot weenie bows) and not so heavy shaft mass.

        Those I found are 11/32 tapered to 5/16 footed with cocobolo (pretty dense stuff there) that were 20lbs over my bow weight in spine. Granted, some “customizing” on the centershot may be up and coming to get proper arrow flight but…..doable. (The fact that they have my beloved NATURAL barred turkey feathers made it a “no brainer”!) 😉

        I thought I would share this with those also loving the old wood shafts that seem to be “fading in the distant past” today. Diehard old timers like me are a PIA!

        They came about an hour ago and I slapped the 225 grain Tuffheads on and broke out the tape measure and grain scale.

        A couple surprises were in store for me.

        First, even with the 225 grain head…total mass was exactly 600 grains. Hmm (note that the 300 Tuffheads WOULD BE 675 grains 😉 …….IF I can make em fly outa something).

        Second, the balance point was 6.75 inches forward of arrow center or 23.27 percent FOC…….no adaptations to the shaft or weight added in the ferrule at all. YeeHA!

        Ive come very close to 20 percent with other wood arrows but never crossed that mark. With a bit of lead in the ferrule both the total mass and the FOC will increase.

        The “kicker” is, of course, how they fly when done but feel confident I can adjust the bow’s centershot to the arrows for yet another set up to take afield this fall.

        My Sweetlands lord over these in mass being over 700 grains (with the Tuffhead mounted) even with the tiny 9/32 shafts yet the FOC is just over 18.

        As I’ve indicated before, Doc’s info is super great but a lot miss that this is all for MAXIMUM penetration on HEAVY bone threshold and we’ve batted around what this info will adapt to for bone threshold on whitetail since this is all I have funds and availability to hunt.

        Undoubtedly, I will continue this information search, using Doc’s info (but playing with the numbers a bit) to see personally what applies to WHITETAIL exclusively since a great number of us hunt the various deer species almost exclusively. It is NOT in any way going AGAINST Doc’s report and findings but mearly adapting the info to a smaller boned species just for my own “curiousity” for lack of a better word?

        But for the time being I wanted to pass along this info and perhaps gleen more info from the hoards of other woodie lovers towards “the perfect WOOD arrow…..for deer”.

        God Bless!
        Steve Sr.

      • Steve Sr.
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          A short note, if you would allow, please.

          My “normal” woodies work, have worked for decades and will work. This is not an attempt to say that “standard” arrows are not “worthy”.

          I HAVE shot through shoulder blades on whitetail with various heads up to and including 160 grain Snuffers (but that WAS with a 650 grain woodie).

          Deer are simply a bit more finely boned than the larger species. Avoiding the dreaded scapula has been much heralded by many yet Ive found this info……how can I say this nicely..”an error”?

          Granted, those shot though the scapula with standard two blade and standard 525 grain (approximately the average) did the job…….but penetration was “iffy” IMO, regardless that they “worked”.

          By comparison……I’d bet, if a betting man, that these posted arrows with these heads, properly flying, are “enough” for ANY whitetail skeleton hit. A bit more weight MIGHT be required but with the info on EFOC I would wager that the present 600 grains…….is sufficient…as is.

          Stuff happens. Bones are hit sometimes.

          I’d hunt with my 30 year old standard woodies from Kelly Peterson without pause yet “something better” penetration wise is hardly a wild goose chase for those of us whom wish to “be prepared” for that errant shot that goes elsewhere than where we would “like”.

          I love wood arrows for all the obvious reasons many of us have posted about them!

          Have no fear of hunting with “standard” issue arrows. They work, have worked yet we have to realize that the stories of them NOT working on shoulder blades are there too, even if not shared publicly a lot.

          Who wants to post about a messed up hunt? Not many.

          This is simply MY goal, of MY interest and in no way discredits a standard arrow set up that I have used and loved for some 4 decades……and may again!

          God Bless
          Steve Sr.

        • Ed Ashby
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            Right on, Steve. The availability of heavier, glue-on broadheads is going to make EFOC within fairly easy reach for wood shafts. The very long ferrule on the TuffHead would allow for a lot of extra weight too; by adding verious materials forward of the shaft taper.

            Ed

          • FUBAR
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              Have you tried those Woodyweights on your arrows? I see you can add up to 200g to the front of your arrow

            • wildschwein
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                Impressive set of arrows! Gotta be getting a bit on the pricey side though?

              • Alexandre Bugnon
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                  Great stuff!! Thank you

                • Steve Sr.
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                    wildschwein wrote: Impressive set of arrows! Gotta be getting a bit on the pricey side though?

                    I must beg off on saying what I paid for those 6 arrows. 😳

                    I might give the impression Im some kind of crook or something 😉 but let me say that I’ve seen raw POC shafts for more than I paid for them if that gives you an idea. I got dang lucky and I’m grateful for that with current issues at hand.

                    Yep, I’ll openly admit that to ORDER these arrows new I would have to pass. From what I’ve seen tapered, footed, fletched with natural barred feather arrows go for about three times what I paid, or more……easy. The Sweetland arrows, being highly collectable, set me back several times per arrow what these cost ( I had to hurry and sell “old stuff” to finance the “gotta have those!” obsession when I saw them for sale. 😀 )

                    I’m pretty tickled with the specs of these with a Tuffhead on them, as is with nothing else added, and may leave them that way.

                    Only “PROBLEM” with both sets of arrows is that THEY ARE DANG NEAR TOO PRETTY TO SHOOT!! 😀 Once again the “Aesthetics of Archery” comes to mind in a big way for me.

                    I’ve not tried the woody weights……..and I forget now why I didnt but may very well have been thinking of the problem woodies have snapping behind the head on hard hits and didnt consider footed ones at the time?? Hard to say now. Anyone else had good results from them?

                    God Bless
                    Steve Sr.

                  • Steve Sr.
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                      I keep rattling on about “my Sweetlands” and, if you would be so kind as to let me spout a bit more, I thought maybe a few had not had the pleasure of really comparing Bill Sweetland’s Forgewood shafts to others.

                      3/4 of an inch shorter and obviously VERY small in diameter the Sweetlands, shown here with these same footed, tapered arrows, OUT WEIGH the longer, larger diameter arrows a full 110 grains. 😉

                      I had three earlier but recall how “fumb downded” I was the first time I had one in my grimy old paws!!

                      Sorry to praddle. These still grab my attention in a big way. One set with 4-5 percent more FOC (and over 20) yet the other has a smaller diameter and much heavier. Should make for some “interesting” results to compare should I do my part!!!! Odds are both will shine brightly in their own capacity.

                      God Bless

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