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    • lyagooshka
        October 25, 2012 at 11:56 pm
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        #5544

        I picked these broadheads up quite some time ago. I planned to use them if/when I got more into traditional archery. Well, I made the plunge, and some arrows. I am proud of my aluminum stix. It was fun, and not just because of the fletch-tite fumes. 😉 I was talking to someone about broadheads, and I showed them what I had. To my surprise, they said to check with my state as they are not legat to hunt with in most states. They are 175g and with the 100g inserts would give me a really nice FOC weight. Does anyone (especially you PA guys) have any info? These are Simmons (I believe Sharks). I did not see anything in the rule book about them. I believe the person I spoke with sait the back (bottom, ferrule {sp?}, whatever) flaring out is the issue. Help please! Be well.

        Alex

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      • Rogue
          October 26, 2012 at 1:11 am
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          #42085

          Those would be considered barbed by Oregons definition and wouldn’t be legal here.

          Bill

        • Etter1
            October 26, 2012 at 2:09 am
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            #42134

            Rogue wrote: Those would be considered barbed by Oregons definition and wouldn’t be legal here.

            Bill

            Yep, depends on the state. I shoot Simmons Tree Sharks. They are legal here, but have a similar swell at the bottom that some states consider barbed.

          • Bruce Smithhammer
              October 26, 2012 at 3:31 am
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              #42194

              They wouldn’t fly in Idaho (pun intended). 😉

            • Brennan Herr
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                October 26, 2012 at 5:29 am
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                #42284

                Archery Seasons: Long, recurve, compound bows and crossbows

                with broadheads of cutting-edge design. An arrow and crossbow bolt must be equipped with a broadhead not more than three inches long and at least 7/8 inches wide, with at least two cutting edges on the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface.

                This is straight from the PA Game Commission Hunting and trapping digest…looks like you are good to go! But if you want I know a few green shirts (wardens) I can call but I will just tell them a “friend” is asking!

              • Mark Turton
                  October 26, 2012 at 8:38 am
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                  #42472

                  Barbed arrows legal or not might be one for the ethics committee?

                  Mark.

                • bamboo
                    October 26, 2012 at 11:18 am
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                    #42621

                    brennanherr wrote: Archery Seasons: Long, recurve, compound bows and crossbows

                    with broadheads of cutting-edge design. An arrow and crossbow bolt must be equipped with a broadhead not more than three inches long and at least 7/8 inches wide, with at least two cutting edges on the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface.

                    makes the simmons seem legal—BUT the wording makes me wonder about 3-blades!?!

                  • Jason Wesbrock
                    Member
                      October 26, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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                      #42816

                      Bamboo,

                      That wording is there to outlaw heads like the Crimson Talon with helical blades.

                    • Stumpkiller
                      Member
                        October 27, 2012 at 2:36 am
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                        #43281

                        Wouldn’t be legal in NY. They’re barbed.

                      • William Warren
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                          October 27, 2012 at 1:10 pm
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                          #43820

                          Barbed heads not legal in NC either. I’m not an expert on Simmons heads but it seems like their newer models address that issue. Those look like an older model head, SB-40 maybe?

                          Having already made the investment you could modify them. I’d take some of the rear delta off with a file flattenening the “barbed” profile and possibly clip the “barbs” to 45 degree angle with the bench grinder or a dremel tool. Just be sure you don’t take so much off that the overall width is less than 7/8″ which seems to be the minimum standard broadhead width of most State Game Agencys.

                        • David Coulter
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                            October 29, 2012 at 1:50 am
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                            #45628

                            I don’t know about the barbs, but as stated in PA it’s no more than 3″, which also makes a Tuffhead illegal. That does not make sense. Perhaps all broadheads were shorter when the rules were written and they just didn’t want spears. Anyway, it’s worth writing to the commission and asking for an update. dwc

                          • lyagooshka
                              October 29, 2012 at 3:02 pm
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                              #46256

                              brennanherr, thanks for the info. I looked it up in the digest and, like you, didn’t find anything about the barbs. If you happen across one of your WCO friends, see what they have to say. I would be interested. The WCO I know down here is a little miffed at me right now (I haven’t been teaching as many THE classes as I planned on). Pothunter brings up a good point as well about the ethics. I could sharpen these heads to be obsidian-sharp, but a bad hit could make quite a bit of suffering for the animal whereas a non-barbed broadhead would have just slid out and the animal would trot off and be back at 100% an hour later. I never even thought about it that way. Remember, I got these heads back when I had training wheels on my arrow-launching device. 😆 Anyway, thank you all for the input. I may try to modify them but I think it will be more trouble than it’s worth (anyone looking for a project, let me know). DWC, I know there are quite a few strange rules that PA has held onto. Only recently could I buy a bottle of wine on a Sunday (and I bet that was only because of the threat of privatization since you could do it in any of the 6 bordering states). And of course I have my weekend off, but heaven forbid I try to look for a new car on Sunday. Anyway, the 3” rule may be like that, but it might also have a reason. I am only thinking that at some point someone tried to hurl a 5# 12” broadhead at an animal and made a mess. Who knows? Anyway, be well all.

                              Alex

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                            • Brennan Herr
                              Member
                                October 29, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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                                #46365

                                Alex,

                                Forwarded the pic and got the green light. Meets the requirments! Post pics when u hit a deer with it.

                              • lyagooshka
                                  October 29, 2012 at 6:19 pm
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                                  #46416

                                  brennanherr,

                                  I appreciate it. I know these broadheads were at one time recommended by Byron Ferguson. I forget if it was in his “become the arrow” or in a faq on his website. Thanks again for the help. Be well.

                                  Alex

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                                • Jason Wesbrock
                                  Member
                                    October 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm
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                                    #46522

                                    Alex,

                                    If I recall correctly, it was the Simmons Interceptors Byron wrote about in Become the Arrow.

                                  • lyagooshka
                                      October 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm
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                                      #46527

                                      You may be correct. I have to go look it up now. 😀 Either way, I will think about using them in an actual hunting situation as someone mentioned the “e” word (ethics). Input on THAT aspect would be helpful/interesting. Be well.

                                      Alex

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