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    • lyagooshka
        December 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm
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        #5352

        As per the instructions above:

        “THIS FORUM IS FOR THOSE WHO EMBRACE THE ASHBY STUDY AND WISH TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCES WITH FELLOW FANS OF FOC IN A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FREE OF HECKLING FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY. IF YOU WISH TO CRITICIZE THE TENETS OF THE ASHBY ARROW LETHALITY STUDY, OR SIMPLY TO SAY “THE OLD WAYS WORK FINE AND THIS ROCKET SCIENCE ISN’T NECESSARY” … THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES FOR THAT. THIS IS NOT THAT PLACE. THIS FORUM IS FOR FRIENDS OF THE STUDY, NOT CRITICS, AND POSTS THAT IGNORE THAT RULE WILL BE PROMPTLY DELETED.”

        I have a question. I am not disagreeing; I am simply trying to learn. I am pretty new at this 😳 , so please bear with me and don’t “delete” me 😥 .

        Dr, Dave, anyone with experience (patience), could you explain the Ashby Study/FOC in as few words as possible? I have tried to read through the posts here, but I am not sure I am getting the full “benefit”.

        Here are some things I think I am missing the point on:

        In FOC, is it “more is better” or is there a certain balance that is best (47.25%, etc)?

        Is there an “ideal” weight for an arrow (i.e. 10gr per pound of draw)?

        Is there a link to the actual study? I have read bits and pieces, but I have yet to read the study. (Maybe that there is my whole problem.)

        Is there anything in video form to reference? No, not cliff notes, I mean actual video showing what the study findings suggest in “real life” (someone mentioned in another thread about experiments on carcasses).

        I’m sure there are other things. But that’s a start for me. Again, dumb question, I’m sure. I just want to get the hang of this for future reference.

        Thanks all. Be well.

        Alex

        ❓

      • ssumner1
          December 12, 2012 at 10:47 pm
          Post count: 109
          #39915

          Check this out. This is a video of the power point and commentary. This is the tuffhead channel.

          http://www.youtube.com/user/TuffheadBroadheads?feature=g-user-a

          -Andrew

        • david Keech
            December 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm
            Post count: 18
            #39931

            you can access Dr.Ashby’s study from the home page under Ashby’s library.prepare for a long but enlightening read..

          • lyagooshka
              December 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm
              Post count: 600
              #39975

              Thanks for the info. So far, the “locomotive versus pick-up” example makes sense. I am still in “gun mode” in many ways. A 240gr .44 Remington Mag cannot compare to a 55gr 5.56 traveling at 3X the speed. I guess I have to get into “archery mode”. My E=0.5(M)V^2 seems not to hold up in practical use. Well, back to the study guide. Thanks again all. Be well.

              Alex

              😕

            • James Harvey
              Member
                January 25, 2013 at 6:29 am
                Post count: 1130
                #32008

                lyagooshka wrote: A 240gr .44 Remington Mag cannot compare to a 55gr 5.56 traveling at 3X the speed.

                That’s not a fair comparison! Those .44 magnum slugs are like shooting a coin at someone, no wonder they just slap the skin and bounce off 😛

                Compare the zipping 5.56 to the 7.62 short, twice the weight at 2/3 the speed carries only about 15% more energy but it does a whole lot more going through things and killing. I’ve never hunted animals with rifles, but our experience in Afghan has been that you can fill a guy full of 5.56mm holes and he keeps fighting, but you put a 7.62 hole in his torso and he is done.

                IMHO the selling points of 5.56 are mostly administrative, not direct combat effects.

              • stalkin4elk
                  January 25, 2013 at 4:01 pm
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                  #32474

                  the actual study? I have read bits and pieces, but I have yet to read the study. (Maybe that there is my whole problem.)

                  No disrespect intended, but you really do need to do the homework and study for the tests to pass the class, and only then will you be empowered with knowledge.:)

                • Ralph
                  Moderator
                    January 25, 2013 at 9:43 pm
                    Post count: 2580
                    #32733

                    Warning, knowledge can be an expensive tool! 😆 The more I read, the more I had to play. Anymore the shipping costs will break the bank.

                    I did find a point (pun :?) within the methodology that made me happy.

                    It is in my humble opinion that 10-11 gr. per lb. will do want you need done unless you be going after “big” game. When you refer bullets vs arrows, you always gotta remember that you ain’t gonna hit a mule deer buck in the shoulder bone with any arrow and slam dunk him to the ground. You might have enough weight and momentum to penetrate the bone and hit a vital. That’s what EFOC can help do for you. There are many, many variables and quite often when I state my opinion, that gets pointed out to me. 😀 Good luck and have fun.

                  • Stephen Graf
                    Moderator
                      January 26, 2013 at 12:36 pm
                      Post count: 2429
                      #33379

                      Well Put R2!

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