It’s 2 3/4″ long. I’m pretty sure I remember the width to be 1 1/8″. The length I’m positive about though.

I CANNOT believe they STILL have not updated their website to include the dimensions of their two “flagship” broadheads.:roll:

Patrick’s correct. However, the ‘effective’ blade length, as far as calculating the BH’s MA, is longer. That’s because the Tanto tip truncates the length of the cutting edge; but it doesn’t change the “slope”; or “degree of grade”, if you prefer; of the edge.

I figured that they hadn’t bothered to put the exact dimensions on their web site because most of their customers are compound shooters – most of whom are not accustomed to being bothered with such details (too accustomed to just being told ‘this is what you MUST use’ :lol:.

Ed

ED what do you think of the Abowyer Brown Bear I cant remember if I read anything in the studies on them. Have you seen any of their screw in models?

Thanks

I tested the earlier Abowyer’s extensively, and it was that testing which led to the new Abowyer BH designs. I’ve not tested the new Brown Bear yet but, judging from the quality of the earlier Abowyer BH’s and their performance, the Brown Bear should only be a better version of an already good broadhead. I suspect it will be a top performer.

Ed

I’ve heard it said by folks who have tried most every “Ashby quality” single-bevel, single blade, that the BB is “the best head for the money” available today. If I recall, several folks on this site hunted elk and other game with them last year. Don’t know about screw-ins. I bought glue-ons and used steel inserts and think they’re great. Not the only great broadhead available today, but easily one among them.

What would the MA be for both of the broadheads. The Ashby head and the BB:?:

Tom — I haven’t done the math, but they’re about as close to the 3:1 “ideal” as we can find today, along with Tusker Concord, Grizzly and STOS gets close. Could be others I’m unaware of. All the heads named above, I have tested and killed game with and come highly recommended. I sound like a hiccup here, but imho, all things considered, the BB is best head for the money, Concord the cheapest great head, and the ABS Ashby the best-built head available. Only thing keeping the El Grande off that list is their relative dullness out of the box.

Dave,
IYO, How would you assess the new 200 gr. El Grande with the 25 degree bevel IF it was scary sharp? Just curious.

Also is the Brown Bear head solid piece of machineey? The picture makes it appear to have a ferrule that is actually attached to the blade. Correct of not?

Thanks
Richie

Thanks Dave. I think I will go with the BB next season. I just bought the wt system from 3Rivers so I can tune bow up to UEFOC if possible with my GT Expediton 3555’s. I have 19 teen of them. (I used to have two dozen but some are probably sitting next to my missing socks.)

My goal is to harvest a deer with my 40 # Indian Archery bow I bought brand new in about 1965. After that I am going to save up for a longbow about 55#. I intend to hunt elk at least once before I die. Those are just two things on my bucket list. The first two things.

Tom — sounds great!
Sapcut — I’ve neither tested nor even seen the new Grizzly 200, because it’s right-wing only (still) and my fletching jig and dozens of arrows are left-wing. But I have heard from folks on this site that it’s a big improvement on an already great head — the overlap in the two sides has been eliminated, making sharpening easier, and apparently some improvement in sharpness from the factory though not yet hunting sharp. Even with the original 190 if you can get ’em really sharp, I believe the El Grande remains at the top of the Doc’s list of super-deadly broadheads and hope he’ll correct me if I’m wrong. If you shoot right-wing and can get ’em sharp, I’d go for it with no qualms.

But, big proviso: I have done some minimal testing primarily for my own education and confidence. And I am privileged to have had the opportunity to “dumb down” Ashby’s work for broader and easier digestion in TBM (crash-test dummy, that’s me). Yet I am no expert in this arena and absolutely make no pretense at knowing anything beyond what works for me and what fails. We are blessed today, thanks to Dr. Ashby and a growing number of broadhead manufacturers who listen to him, and to us, because they want to be successful in the marketplace and are not blind to the writing on the wall. So we now have a growing number of excellent, strong, high MA, 2-blade, single-bevel broadheads. Grizzly was the first and still among the best. I just remain among those who are too dumb to get them sharp without filing off half their weight, so I lean more toward the BB and Concord. :roll::oops: Dave

Dave’s right; today we have several excellent single-bevel BH’s from which to choose, the new Grizzly 200 gr. among them, and I hope we have even more in the future.

Ed