Home Forums Campfire Forum Is it right, wrong, or the lesser of two evils?

Viewing 17 reply threads
  • Author
    Posts
    • wildschwein
        Post count: 581

        Lately I have been thinking about getting some pork. Shouldn’t be diffcult eh?
        Problem is that I don’t want just any hormone injected, genetically muddled, indoor raised pork. Nope I want me some wild, untamed, chase you up a tree pork. But it just so happens that this pork isn’t running loose in Alberta.
        However I have found something close. Seems there is this fella in Mayerthorpe who keeps thee European variety of swine. Better yet his swine is not injected with the various concoctions that the domestic meat industry seems to find so wonderful. But his ham is canned.
        Now I have no illusions. I know damn well that this won’t be hunting. It will be killing.
        So my question, is it better to chase, kill, dress and butcher these swine with mine own hand, or just buy some mass produced ham that someone else killed? What say you?

      • coyote220
          Post count: 50

          Either way the animal is going to die. The details of the kill are often where the devil lives and plays his games with our minds.

        • wildschwein
            Post count: 581

            True an animal is going to die regardless. But which death is less objectionable? I find the idea of at least participating in my foods death to be preferable to eating that which I do not know anything about. Yet I would still be killing a penned animal and that brings forth mixed emotions. Is either way ethical? Or should I just give up pork :wink:.
            A penny for your thoughts?

          • William Warren
            Member
              Post count: 1384

              Grandaddy perched over the pig chute with a butcher knife. Daddy and his brothers drove the hogs through the opening and Grandaddy cut their throats. Sometimes he popped them with a .22. If you want pork it has to be done. It is part of farm life. I think it would be OK to slaughter your own meat if you want to do it. It is like owning the responsibility I think. Some folks can’t do it and that is OK too.

            • Todd Smith
                Post count: 167

                Go for it with a clear mind. You know what it is. It’ll be fun, it’s just not ‘real’ fair chase hunting. todd

              • coyote220
                  Post count: 50

                  Philosophy 201: I feel that Duncan has expressed a very interesting concept. “Owning the responsibility” of the kill. When there are no perceived fences around the animal, is the concept of the previously mentioned “ownership” lessened? When we hunt an animal, in our typical way, the death outcome isn’t a certainty. When you pursue an animal within a pen it’s death can be a certainty. When you enter the pen the animal will die, when you enter the woods the animal may or may not die.
                  Ownership can be a #&$#@!
                  My 2cents: Take the chemical free pork with your bow or a knife and enjoy the responsibilty of the ownership. At the very least you are equal to a farmer slaughtering for his family.

                • Frank H V
                    Post count: 129

                    I once butchered my own steer with a Ruger .44 Mag. I realised it was butchering & I had no qualms, I wanted the meat. I think you should butcher your hog with no qualms.
                    Enjoy the meat. 😉
                    Frank

                  • Buzzard
                      Post count: 66

                      I killed my first chicken when i was 5yrs old. I killed my first cottontail when i was 9yrs old. At 53 yrs now, i’ve been killing my families own food for along time now. Second nature i guess. Growing up on a farm is a life experience all it’s own. I always figured if the critter can run away forever, it has to hunted. If it can’t get away forever, it’s not hunting. Go kill your (clean meat) hog by whatever method you deem humane and enjoy. Your family will appreciate your resourcefulness.

                    • Steve Branson
                        Post count: 73

                        regardless, you want fresh, non manufactured meat for your family. The pig will die no matter what, so use this as a learning tool. Try to make it as real as possible, make a one shot kill, maybe try another type of broadhead that you have been looking at, do a penetration test…whatever. At least you know that unlike in the wild, even if something goes a little wrong, you are still assured to recover your meat. It is good to have a conscience as far as fair chase, but like I said, learn from it and dont worry about it. Im sure it will taste great.

                      • Snakeeater
                          Post count: 23

                          You need to separate the concept of killing an animal and the concept of hunting. There are many ways and reasons for killing an animal, hunting is just one of them and the one you identify with. If you want to be involved in the kill you can take a knife/hammer/pistol or whatever and slaughter it in the conventional manner, or you could use your bow. Just don’t think you need to hold yourself to the concept of fair chase because this isn’t a chase/hunt’ even though both result in a dead animal and meat on the table.

                        • Danny Klee
                            Post count: 90

                            I guess one way to look at it is, do you go to Burger King and enjoy a Whopper or McDonalds and enjoy a Big Mac, or your favorite steak house and enjoy a tender steak? Someone had to have killed the food you have enjoyed. Simply because you don’t see or are not involved in the kill of animals does not mean they were still not in fact killed for our nurishment. I believe it is the way God intended it to be. Don’t try to read into it to much. Do what you have to do and enjoy the harvest of what ever animal you decide to eat. There are several folks around me who raise hogs, cattle, chickens, etc. without all the added chemicals and growth hormones. Those are the ones I fill my freezers with. Don’t feel guilty for the natural order of life. This is of course my own humble opinion. One that I believe to be true.

                            Dan

                          • wildschwein
                              Post count: 581

                              Thanks for the input folks. Decided I would give it a try and am booked for October 19th. Even convinced my Dad to give it a go with me, which is nice since we never get to spend much time together.

                            • Frank H V
                                Post count: 129

                                Wildschwein wrote: Thanks for the input folks. Decided I would give it a try and am booked for October 19th. Even convinced my Dad to give it a go with me, which is nice since we never get to spend much time together.

                                Good for you!!! I’m sure you & your Dad will have a good time. Enjoy!
                                Frank

                              • David Petersen
                                Member
                                  Post count: 2749

                                  First of all, have you ever tasted European wild boar? My experience is limited to a single big boar but we couldn’t even keep it in the freezer it stunk so bad. In any event, if I were doing this based on the way Duncan is thinking it through, I would use a rifle to remind myself “this is not a hunt but just buying live meat,” and to avoid dishonoring bowhunting in the minds of others. Just my opinion. dp

                                • wildschwein
                                    Post count: 581

                                    Yup we have tried some of the pork from this operation before. Not from one of the big boars mind you, but from a 200ish pound sow, which is what we are hoping for this October. The wife and I were both impressed with the flavour. For reasons perhaps dealing with their diet it tasted quite different from domestic. Good stuff anyway.
                                    I’m not sure at this point what weapon I’ll use. I had been leaning more toward the recurve but I had not thought that my actions would possibly “dishonor” bowhunting. I’ll have to give it some more thought.
                                    Thank you all for your honest opinions. Its nice to know people that you can ponder such matters with.

                                  • Danny Klee
                                      Post count: 90

                                      Frank H V wrote: [quote=Wildschwein]Thanks for the input folks. Decided I would give it a try and am booked for October 19th. Even convinced my Dad to give it a go with me, which is nice since we never get to spend much time together.

                                      Again, good for you. There is nothing like making good memories with your parents. I think you will enjoy your experience. Keep us posted on how it all goes.

                                      Dan

                                    • kingwouldbee
                                        Post count: 44

                                        Sticking with my VOW to never be PC ( politically correct ), here go’s. 😕

                                        My good friend had raised 3 hogs to butcher, he stretched it out over a few month, as to not be buried with pork, I had helped him with the first 2, and the 3rd ones number was coming up.

                                        My birth day was coming up, and I asked if I could shoot it with my bow, Ron shook his head and asked: if I was crazy :shock:( some of you know that answer already ).

                                        Well, to make a long story short, the morning of, we set up a camera on a tripod to record the deed, ( strictly for science ) I had a sharp 160 snuffer on a wood shaft, the hog was pushing 300lbs, and we wanted to see what would happen.

                                        My friend put a little grain in a pile to have the hog get into a perfect broadside shot, ( this is not hunting, in any way, shape, or form, we are just using a bow and arrow instead of a 22cal.) both are effective, one just does the bleeding in one motion.

                                        As a hunter, I kill for a living, we must kill to procure our meat, some just like to roam the hills with there Bow, never, or really killing anything with there Bow, that’s OK, that’s what they want to do, ( I call that Bow Hiking ), and we all do a lot of it, as the kill is only a few seconds, out thousands of hours in the field.

                                        If I had to sit in a tree all season, I would slit my wrist, ( it bores me to death ) I love to roam and glass, then put the stock on the animal, getting close enough to send a killing shot through it’s vitals, ( that’s what I love ). It also give me the greatest return out of my hunt. I think I’m rambling.

                                        The amazing thing about this little hog experiment, was how fast it went into full cardie-o-arrest, 2-3 seconds before it was down.

                                        Wildschwein, it’s up to you, what you want to do, you can shop for your meat, you can raise your meat, or you can hunt for you meat.

                                        There might even be some resemblance to hunting, you sound like you are calling it what it is.

                                        By the way, look for a 200lb sow for the most meat with good flavor, a under 100lb for the best taste, big boars can be rough to eat.

                                      • wildschwein
                                          Post count: 581

                                          As a retail meat cutter I have heard of and seen things in my industry that have totally turned me off “anonymous” meats. It can be gruesome. Thats what lead me to look for alternatives, such as this operation in Mayerthorpe.
                                          I think I’ll treat this opportunity as a trail run. I have yet to kill anything larger than a Beaver with my bow, so killing a pig should help build confidence in myself and my set-up. The fighter ace Werner Moelders once said “The most important thing for a fighter pilot is to get his first kill without too much shock”. I think this is also true for hunters.
                                          But more importantly I am looking forward to spending some bonding time with my Dad. We haven’t had a father/son weekend since I was 16 which was 8 years ago. Way too long. At the very least we will have some fun, and any pork we bring home will be a bonus.

                                      Viewing 17 reply threads
                                      • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.