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    • Tim Roberts
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        Today while pondering making up some new arrows, I got to looking in my box of stuff, and I have some 75 gr. steel adapters, and some 135 gr. Magnus BH’s. Together this adds up to 210 gr. up front. This got me to thinking, is there a math formula that one can do to figure out if I add X amount of weight up front, I can do good out to X many yards. Also by the same token is there a formula that can figure X amount of inches drawn, X amount of weight, X amount of arrow weight, and would show that best amount of weight forward before hitting diminishing returns?

      • Stephen Graf
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          Tim,

          Math and physics are only useful in evaluating and predicting objective events. “do good out to X many yards” unfortunately is subjective.

          Same goes for weight forward. Although there are a lot of folks that would say the ideal arrow would have zero mass in the shaft and 100% of the mass would be in the broadhead. Obviously no real arrow can meet this condition, but it gives a boundary for evaluation of real arrow setups.

          Thus you are left in the same conundrum as the rest of us. There is no Archery Holy Grail, only the long journey of self discovery. And the confidence that comes from personal experience with the success of your personal setup… And sharing that experience with others.

        • Ed Zachary
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            I’d wager the ballistics math is out there, but would it not be more fun to just go experiment with your kit and see at what point the arrow drop/dive becomes too much at your effective range? Enjoy the conundrum and experience as Steve so aptly puts it. 😀 Enjoy the “if I do this, what happens?”

          • Tim Roberts
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              Thanks Guys:D
              Wasn’t really looking for the magic short cut, myself like you good folks that are on here believe that the journey is as or is more important than the destination!! The reason for the question was mainly this, bowhunting has turned so many corners that it is more archer’s tricks, than hunting and woodsman skills. I used to teach bowhunter education, and in a class there is is so much material to put out that when one is at the “very important” points it needs to be explained in a quick, but mentally lasting fashion. The work that Dr. Ed has done rivals that of all the Modern Day Bowhunting Heros, and his work (just my opinion) to key to keeping bowhunting what it has always meant to be a close range, up personal, opportunity.
              Thanks again…………..

            • Fletcher
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                Math and physics can find an application in practically anything. Personally, I try to keep math out of my archery. Arithmetic is OK, but not math. In messing with front loaded wood arrows, I have figured that I need to add about one pound of static spine for each ten grains of lead I shove up the nose. That’s about as much math as I want to use.

              • Chris Shelton
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                  you know I was one of those kids in school that said, when the heck am I going to use this stuff, not in math but definatly in physics, of course that was before traditional archery, lol. And to add in the long range small caliber shooting that I do- holy crap do I use it often. Ever since I have looked at my first ballistics chart, I thought holy crap I should have paid more attention, lol

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