I’ll be your first huckleberry!

I bought into the one piece a few years back…they have a couple weights now…I think I got 100s.

Going to EFOC, I gave up on them. One a nd only hassle was that once glued on and glued in, sharpening heads was a bit more of a challenge. Couldn’t just screw off and put in my KME…I had to clear the decks for the 30″ arrow swing as I worked on them! 😯

I also started using lighter GPI shafting (usually target grade) and adding an aluminum over foot past the 100 gr. insert…

But mostly, I found that one CAN bend a brass insert on a glancing blow, so the PnA factor of the sharpening aspect, plus the inability to adjust weight easily while testing/tuning, left me less than enthralled and I abandoned them—FWIW. YMMV

Well, SH, aren’t you kind to an old duffer!? 😀

I don’t claim to know much, but will share what experiences I’ve had so others can draw their own conclusions.

As for integrity of the combo of head,adapter,insert and shaft, I’m convinced (and coached by others w/ way more experience) that the shaft will always remain the most vulnerable in that combo.

Only time I bent a solid 100 gr. brass screw in insert, was when a TRAD shoot had 31 yard target set in rock and I got a glancing blow off a 27% FOC, 585 gr. arrow… bent that sucker right up!

2117 overfoot never budged.. but I sweated the whole thing apart (I use bohining hot melt) and found a tiny crack in the very TIP of the arrow shaft, but I’m betting with it gooped with Hot melt and the 2.5″ over footing, it’d never have gone farther…alas, it’s retired to a shorter shaft shooter (say that 3x real fast with a mountful of peanut butter!) 🙄

I use the brass ones Ace Archery Tackle makes on a set of arrows I made up for a 1960 Wilson Brothers recurve. I needed a touch more weight to get the spine right and they fit the bill. I’ve never had a problem with them.

I have also been using the aluminum version for the past 15 years or so and have put them through some of the toughest bones you’ll find in a deer (on the eixt side, of course). I’ve never had one bend or break.

Most do not use the one piece insert/adaptor when testing FOC arrows. They use glue in inserts that except a threaded broad head adaptor. When they get there final set up for broadheads they will use a insert/adaptor combination for their broad head arrows

Example when testing the final FOC arrow ended up with a 100 grain brass insert and a 75 grain adaptor. For their final arrow they would use a 175 grain insert/adaptor combo for their broad head arrow.

Adavantage of the insert/adaptor as mentioned above is the elimination of the joint between the adaptor and insert. I am sure that under the wrong/right circumstance the adaptor could be bent. Experience has shown bending occurs less frequent than with the two piece adaptor and insert combination.

If one is worried about bending the best set up I have found is a brass arrow insert and a screw in grade 5 titanium adaptor. I have tested this set up extensively and have not found a failure. I do use thread locking dope on the threads of the screw to eliminate the potential for it to loosen. I use this set up and presently have my 750 grain stumping arrows set up that way thinking I will come up with a failure…..not yet!:D

Yes using the one piece insert/adaptor makes it less convient to sharpen the broad head but not really any different than a wooden arrow with a broad head.:D

The one and only drawback for me is that you can’t remove / replace the broadhead easily. Thus if you want to put your arrows in a suitcase and travel, well they are just too long.

I usually go somewhere once a year and pretend like I have a chance at killing something. So I need to be able to break down the arrows for air travel.

Twice since 9-11 I’ve been asked to remove the broadheads from the arrows at the airport. Why? Who knows. But after that I just started doing it and packing more incognito.

If it wasn’t for the occasional trip, I’d switch to those one piece insert/adapters pronto.

I’m using a 100 grn brass insert, 75 grn screw in titanium adapter and a 225 grn tuff head this year. So far, as mentioned above I have not seen a problem. The titanium adapters feel light weight but I couldn’t bend one in the vise using my pliers, and gave it a wack with the 22 once framing hammer and when screwed into the arrow it still spun true, so I’m sold on them.

Troy