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    • David Petersen
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        http://www.pbs.org:80/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/generic.html?s=inwi10s22a3q81f<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/generic.html?s=inwi10s22a3q81f>

        This link will take you to a 6-minute video on Wisconsin’s unique concentration of albino whitetails. Very cool. My favorite is the nice buck with white velvet on his antlers. Amazing that they weren’t shot out before gaining protection.

      • strait-aero
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          Interesting video,D.P.! I can see how our native forefathers felt they were big medicine….8)

        • rraming
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            Pretty neat, never have seen one with white velvet (never thought about it I guess) I used to hunt near there in Drummond. I never saw one while in the woods!

          • William Warren
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              Neat video and the white buck would be too pretty to kill. I think I’d let him walk.

              There are occasional white deer in this area and a few pie-balds show up from time to time.

              And there are a few colonies of white squirrels in NC. I’ve seen 2 in Durham and they are somewhat famous in the town of Brevard, NC.

            • Rattlebone
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                Maybe this should be a different thread but I guess the topic is kind of related. Just wondering if anyone here has ever seen a pie-bald turkey. Turkey hunting last spring I saw a turkey that I can explain not other way. That was my impression anyway….I didn’t get a great look at him as he was across a feild on the one occasion I saw him. The owner of the property that I was hunting has seen him a few times and theorized that maybe it was just cross-bred with a domestic turkey.

              • Stephen Graf
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                  Feeding deer in a CWD state is illegal. The prion can be transmitted via saliva from group feeding…

                  Maybe albino’s are immune to the CWD prion and all wisconsin deer will eventually be white. Then everybody will be pining for the good old days when deer were brown and beautiful!

                • rraming
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                    Steve Graf wrote: Feeding deer in a CWD state is illegal. The prion can be transmitted via saliva from group feeding…

                    Maybe albino’s are immune to the CWD prion and all wisconsin deer will eventually be white. Then everybody will be pining for the good old days when deer were brown and beautiful!

                    The CWD area is south central Wisconsin, they are still allowed to bait deer (and feed them) throughout the rest of the state. I’m sure they have stopped this in the CWD area, the rest of the state remains unchanged as far as I know.

                  • Patrick
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                      I don’t understand the idea of protecting albino deer. It’s a genetic defect.

                    • strait-aero
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                        Funny,but I was thinking the same thing the other day…..It must date back to the native forefathers seeing them as big medicine.:roll:

                      • David Petersen
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                          Ahh, brother Patrick! Back from your latest long disappearance to stir the pot for us again. 😆 Seriously, I hope all is well in your world. And I’ll take your bait …

                          Albinoism as a defect? From an individual survival standpoint, that would sure seem the case, as it makes animals so very visible most of the year, including the predation-critical infant and juvenile periods. But from an evolutionary viewpoint, aside from crippling deformities that assure early death before reproduction, I don’t know that genetics can make mistakes. Tossing out new “ideas” at random and testing for what works and what doesn’t, keeping what works in the genetic line and weeding out what doesn’t work, is the core function of evolution; that’s how it works. And we simply aren’t qualified, either intellectually or morally, to decide what “should” or “should not” be allowed to continue. So in the long run and big picture there are no genetic mistakes. From our short-term individual views, some of us would like to hunt them, while others of us want to see them protected precisely because they are rare and thus beautiful. If albinos were utterly common everywhere, they cwould cease to be “special” and there would be no public pressure for protection. Similarly, in “normal” situations where albinos don’t appear in localized groups but only as very rare scattered individuals, they are not protected. I’ve seen exactly one wild albino elk in more than 30 years of seeing elk almost daily — a calf, two springs ago. Never saw it again. I for one would never shoot an albino anything (or melano, the black equivalent), but that’s an aesthetic choice, not a moral choice. It’s all fun. Dave

                        • Patrick
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                            Thanks D! All is well…albeit hectic. 😀

                            By not allowing them to be shot, we are not giving nature an even hand in allowing evolution to run its course. At the very least, as you pointed out, they are easier to see, hence they are easier targets for predators…including the human variety.

                          • David Petersen
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                              Patrick said: “we are not giving nature an even hand in allowing evolution to run its course.”

                              Brother, ain’t that true for nearly every tiny last thing in the universe that we hold sway over? Including our own species’ future. 🙁

                            • Stephen Graf
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                                OK, so… I’m going on record as noting that I wasn’t the first to stir this pot. Nice to hear from you Patrick! But since it has now been stirred…

                                I think Dave took the argument full circle when he said:

                                David Petersen wrote: … And we simply aren’t qualified, either intellectually or morally, to decide what “should” or “should not” be allowed to continue…

                                Unless there is some quality to these deer that makes them “better” or more able to deal with the troubles of this world, I think it might actually be a bad idea to protect these deer. It reminds me of the “oh ain’t that sweet” story of the local vet here that removed cataracts from a starving buck and then let him go again so he could pass his crappy genes on…

                                Something about it bothers me when we say one deer deserves more protection than another deer. When they are basically the same, except for color… What if I see a stripped deer in the woods… I’ve seen really black deer, and really red deer. Should they be protected too?

                              • William Warren
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                                  I think no matter what we do or don’t do, in the end nature will prevail. The white deer we are talking about are but a tiny fraction of the overall deer population in America. I’m not worried about ’em.

                                • WICanner
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                                    I’m not going to worry about an albino deer either way unless it’s next to the nuclear power plant. 😯 We humans do have a way of screwing things up in nature.

                                    Perhaps it’s natures way of trying to get a deer to the point of a snowshoe hare or a ptarmigan. Now wouldn’t a ‘cameleon’ deer be tougher to hunt? Nature takes it’s time, but eventually gets it right.

                                  • Troy Warner
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                                      Defect or not, they are beautiful to look at. I really like the Bucks in white velvet.

                                      Thanks Dave for the link.

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